Guys, TMO is still killing dragons...

[Portsche]

Originally Posted by White Ranger Rides [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Eh, TMO killed draco last night too, I'm sure there's already a petition in for the bone razors because he was pulled with a jav or something.

THERE WERE BONE RAZORS?!?

/petition going in for Zagum lying to us. Keeping phat loots and linking us this crap:

[Mon Feb 10 23:44:55 2014] You say to your guild, 'Staff of Undead Legions, Withered Totem of Widdershins, Nilitim's Grimoire Pg. 401'

[Mezzmur]

Originally Posted by Insane-Truthteller [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So far what we see in this thread:

Class C guilds redefining poopsocking.

No longer is poopsocking sitting near the spawn point with characters logged in ready to them. This is called "being ready and prepared".

Sure makes sense to be ready and prepared for a 16 hour window that was given to us because WE PROMISED NOT TO POOPSOCK

Also some Class C guilds are comparing Taken's 'whining about VS' directly to their Sev kill.

Well I have news for you, having 2 trackers at the spawn point who PULL the mob to the raid resembles nothing like poopsocking.

They are simply tagging a FFA mob and bringing it directly to their camp. That is called competition, as anyone had a fair shot to tag the mob.

Poopsocking in VS's room for 16 hours with the intent to stall til the raid shows up is shady and does not follow in the spirit of the PNP that was created to allow guilds actually 'race' each other for the spawn rights.

Sure next FFA VS we will have 2 additional cleric/tank teams in there. The following one another 2 more. Soon we will have 25 people parked in VS's room again.

Yay progress. You can thank the rule bending, rule lawyering Class C guilds for a better raid scene.

Can we pull VS to zone in yet? Problem solved.

[Burrito]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Making my red character RIGHT NOW. Who do I contact for loot?

Casual faggot- you don't contact anyone, you murder other players and loot their shit. That's how it works right?

[Took]

This server gets worse every day. You guys should lobby for a bag of dragon loot to just be given to you upon character creation.

[Reguiy]

Originally Posted by Fame [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Play on red you faggots

You make a compelling argument. Sound logic and an eloquent thought process. Logging on red to get my lvl 19 wizard up there right now. Perhaps you could refer me to a reputable guild to join?

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by hatelore [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hey, don't get mad at hatelore smatelore. I'm just saying, you can be as prepared as you want, as long as you only have 2 guildies in the zone when he spawns.

No where does it say 2 guild members in the zone. It says "Guilds may not have any more than two representatives present at a raid spawn location.". No one ever said you couldn't have people at the zone line. In fact it never uses the word zone at all. "Raid Spawn Location" I think everyone can understand what is too close to the spawn if you plan to engage it. If you misunderstood the rules and camped out in DL that isn't the fault of other guilds.

[Thulack]

Originally Posted by Sly [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

here we go

[Tue Feb 04 11:13:22 2014] [60 Assassin] Skew (Wood Elf) <Forceful Entry>
[Tue Feb 04 11:13:22 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Mirgan <Bregan D`Aerth>
[Tue Feb 04 11:13:22 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Theya <Taken>
[Tue Feb 04 11:13:22 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Eratani <Taken>
[Tue Feb 04 11:13:22 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Vihn
[Tue Feb 04 11:13:22 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Snackromancer <The Mystical Order>
[Tue Feb 04 11:13:22 2014] [60 Warlock] Floppie (Iksar) <The Mystical Order>
[Tue Feb 04 11:13:22 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Broccolli <Forceful Entry>
[Tue Feb 04 11:13:22 2014] There are 8 players in The Emerald Jungle.

So I was face tracking sev at his spawn point

[Tue Feb 04 11:19:26 2014] You say, 'so why are the casual skummm guild suddenly tracking and stuff? why didnt you do this 2 yrs ago and get fat loots'

[Tue Feb 04 11:19:54 2014] Theya says, '4day plus variance? =p'

[Tue Feb 04 11:20:15 2014] Eratani says, 'i only see semi casual scum here'

taken did have 2 people tracking him

point being? still allowed within rules. i forgot eratani was there giving theya footrubs so she could run laps around your trackers.

[Kagatob]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No where does it say 2 guild members in the zone. It says "Guilds may not have any more than two representatives present at a raid spawn location.". No one ever said you couldn't have people at the zone line. In fact it never uses the word zone at all. "Raid Spawn Location" I think everyone can understand what is too close to the spawn if you plan to engage it. If you misunderstood the rules and camped out in DL that isn't the fault of other guilds.

You never learn do you.

Originally Posted by Insane-Truthteller [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

anything that requires this much rule-lawyer text to explain that your tactics are 'ok' probably isn't all that genuine in the spirit of PNP

At least some people get it.

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No where does it say 2 guild members in the zone. It says "Guilds may not have any more than two representatives present at a raid spawn location.". No one ever said you couldn't have people at the zone line. In fact it never uses the word zone at all. "Raid Spawn Location" I think everyone can understand what is too close to the spawn if you plan to engage it. If you misunderstood the rules and camped out in DL that isn't the fault of other guilds.

BDA's raid force was at illis jail when Trak popped, 6 minutes prior they had aggroed a see invis jugg at the invis wall. That was too close apparently. The rule still doesn't specify how close is too close. We found out by being suspended and have asked for clarification since. Toeing the line and not getting suspended is success?

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

BDA's raid force was at illis jail when Trak popped, 6 minutes prior they had aggroed a see invis jugg at the invis wall. That was too close apparently. The rule still doesn't specify how close is too close. We found out by being suspended and have asked for clarification since. Toeing the line and not getting suspended is success?

We're looking for concrete rules as well. Everyone had been inside KC at zone in (as we have for years waiting for targets) so we sat there as well. If they'd like to clarify those rules we'd be more than happy to follow them. People sit at the zone in to seb for trak as well, I'd imagine this is similar.