Bandwagon Proposal Thread. - Page 11

Arteker · #1 12-31-2013, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Spitty [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Apparently my NY resolution is to agree with Alarti on a bunch of shit.

FTE sniping makes sense - if you get FTE and manage to pull off a win, congrats. If you FTE and you wipe, try better next time.

And, as anyone from A-Team will tell you, nobody on this server has any idea what a minimum kill force is.

usualy before FTE shouts where made, guilds would try to get fte , then kill /petition and find out who the fuck should get it based in who FTE.

that tactic is gone with FE shouts , minus using eyes i think, eyes would not trigger the fte shouts

Racun · #2 12-31-2013, 07:49 PM

FTE sniping is about the same as DA stalling.. you are delaying an opposition raid force from engaging a target when you are not prepared to engage yourself, yet DA stalling is not allowed but FTE sniping is?

You say you want competition but do you want fair competition or this type of competition? Because if it's this type you're going to have to give up more raid targets to the "tier B" guilds before you come to some kind of agreement.

You're in here trying to make concessions about how many targets you are willing to give up per month so you can get back to raiding again rather than addressing the root cause of the current shitty raiding environment, which is your attitude.

Nune · #3 12-31-2013, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Racun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

FTE sniping is about the same as DA stalling.. you are delaying an opposition raid force from engaging a target when you are not prepared to engage yourself, yet DA stalling is not allowed but FTE sniping is?

You say you want competition but do you want fair competition or this type of competition? Because if it's this type you're going to have to give up more raid targets to the "tier B" guilds before you come to some kind of agreement.

You're in here trying to make concessions about how many targets you are willing to give up per month so you can get back to raiding again rather than addressing the root cause of the current shitty raiding environment, which is your attitude.

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Alarti0001 · #4 12-31-2013, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Racun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

FTE sniping is about the same as DA stalling.. you are delaying an opposition raid force from engaging a target when you are not prepared to engage yourself, yet DA stalling is not allowed but FTE sniping is?

You're in here trying to make concessions about how many targets you are willing to give up per month so you can get back to raiding again rather than addressing the root cause of the current shitty raiding environment, which is your attitude.

Who says someone isn't prepared to engage a target? FTE sniping is a convenient bitching term when the opposing teams makes a stupid mistake. That is all.

Also, I could care less about raiding again. TMO would have a huge advantage if raiding was shut down until Velious. Your point is non-existent. I am trying to make a nicer raid scene while still maintain some fun for the competitive guilds. I think your demanding and entitled attitude is adding to a shitty environment.

My proposal offers a 1000% increase in raid mob availability including some BIS items/epics/raid tools. All of these mobs come from the TMO/FE/IB raid schedule in the past. TMO/FE/IB would be giving up in excess of 22 mobs a month + whatever else the other guilds take during competitive times. What are the casual guilds offering in compromise? Complaints? Demands? QQ's?

Spitty · #5 12-31-2013, 07:56 PM

Perhaps I assumed FTE sniping meant one force tagged and immediately engaged a mob before a competing raid force was able to tag.

That's proper use of the term, really. You aren't sniping if you don't hit the target.

Spitty · #6 12-31-2013, 07:59 PM

If that's what this server considers FTE sniping...well, misnomer aside, that's not exactly in line with the overall goal of this attempt at an agreement, is it?

Racun · #7 12-31-2013, 08:05 PM

I saw fraps from the CT where IB/FE got the loot taken away from them where one of the TMO players got FTE on CT with 10 TMO in zone as FE were about to engage. That's not competition, clearly you got outraced to the target so you FTE'd to delay their engage as well as starting a DT cycle they could not recover from given their entire raid force would have to run to the north wall and log out.

I'd say that a large portion of the population of this server would agree with me in my opinion that it is not what I would consider a fair raiding environment. Again - it's about attitude, and you just proved that yours will never change until your hand is forced.. as it is being currently by the GM's.

"Also, I could care less about raiding again. TMO would have a huge advantage if raiding was shut down until Velious."

If you don't start to play nice, there won't be raiding in Velious. I'm OK with that. Are you?

Alarti0001 · #8 12-31-2013, 08:13 PM

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I saw fraps from the CT where IB/FE got the loot taken away from them where one of the TMO players got FTE on CT with 10 TMO in zone as FE were about to engage. That's not competition, clearly you got outraced to the target so you FTE'd to delay their engage as well as starting a DT cycle they could not recover from given their entire raid force would have to run to the north wall and log out.

I'd say that a large portion of the population of this server would agree with me in my opinion that it is not what I would consider a fair raiding environment. Again - it's about attitude, and you just proved that yours will never change until your hand is forced.. as it is being currently by the GM's.

"Also, I could care less about raiding again. TMO would have a huge advantage if raiding was shut down until Velious."

If you don't start to play nice, there won't be raiding in Velious. I'm OK with that. Are you?
Terrorist. Here are my demands, give them all to me or I'll ruin your fun. GTFO

1. DT cycle is broken.
2. CT is a fun encounter because you have to be on your toes.
3. This was actually started by FE and Merkk in particular. TMO found a way around it. We sent in FTE'ers ahead of the raid, and the raid trailed behind until we were assured of FTE.

Spitty · #9 12-31-2013, 08:08 PM

Racun - calm down, dude.

I know you have past grievances, but people are actually hashing this shit out now - GM pressure or not.

Racun · #10 12-31-2013, 08:15 PM

Calm down? My apologies if my posts come across as anything other than matter of fact.

Any raid agreement won't affect me in the least, as I'm not raiding now and I won't be raiding after the raid agreement is in place, at least until Velious..

I'm simply trying to make the point that any agreement needs to not be about making concessions to give up targets to other guilds, but rather about improving the spirit of competition in the current raiding environment, and none of the agreements presented by TMO or FE seek to achieve this.