If you think US Healthcare is anything other than an embarrassment, you're delusional

[Champion_Standing]

If you are still alive today and think that you have ever witnessed a free market in America you are delusional.

[Lune]

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

now here's my question, how do the bevies of people that die while waiting factor into the median wait times? are they considered satisfied customers when they drop dead on a moose hunt at 24 days?

38 days is for elective surgery, retard.

Originally Posted by Reading Comprehension

Elective (Priority 3 – within 43-180 days): These are patients who are stable but have some form of heart health problem. Their procedure may be scheduled after a wait time without undue deterioration in their health status.

What you are talking about is people at risk of dropping dead, which is:

Urgent: 2 days
Semi-urgent: 12 days

But really, keep defending our embarrassing healthcare system while the rest of the world laughs at us.

[MrSparkle001]

Originally Posted by mgellan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'd be stitching myself up at this point.

Regards,
Mg

Yeah I'd totally go Rambo.

[Daldolma]

oh ya elective heart surgery, very popular these days

hey doc how about a boob job and a little cardiac bypass while we're at it

but don't worry i'm not literally dying as we speak so let's wait a month or two, play the odds

[MrSparkle001]

Waiting times plus high taxes on everything does change the fact that they charge too damned much.

[Maddox]

US Healthcare System: In the last 6 years I have had three kids that cost about $500 each for everything from conception to home from hospital. My wife has had gall bladder removed with a few days notice and after a 4 day stay in the hospital. I paid $200. She also had wisdom teeth taken out which cost $150 and had no real wait time other than our schedule.

The doctors were overall excellent, the facilities were good, no real wait times, and was generally easy access to health services.

All-in with costs and insurance premiums, I've paid $12K over 6 years ($2K / year for those mathematically challenged). Reasonable costs to the consumer for good access and care. Welcome to the reality of 85%+ of Americans with insurance. Not sure the numbers but there are quite a few of the remaining <15% that are covered by government subsidies before Obamacare and have/had access to preventative care and nobody was turned away for emergency care.

Health care could certainly use reform and cost controls (Tort reform!) but lets not pretend we are living in Somalia. Cost of care is one thing, but pretending that US health care system sucks is just ignorant.

[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by Maddox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

US Healthcare System: In the last 6 years I have had three kids that cost about $500 each for everything from conception to home from hospital. My wife has had gall bladder removed with a few days notice and after a 4 day stay in the hospital. I paid $200. She also had wisdom teeth taken out which cost $150 and had no real wait time other than our schedule.

The doctors were overall excellent, the facilities were good, no real wait times, and was generally easy access to health services.

All-in with costs and insurance premiums, I've paid $12K over 6 years ($2K / year for those mathematically challenged). Reasonable costs to the consumer for good access and care. Welcome to the reality of 85%+ of Americans with insurance. Not sure the numbers but there are quite a few of the remaining <15% that are covered by government subsidies before Obamacare and have/had access to preventative care and nobody was turned away for emergency care.

Health care could certainly use reform and cost controls (Tort reform!) but lets not pretend we are living in Somalia. Cost of care is one thing, but pretending that US health care system sucks is just ignorant.

i approve of your general point

but tort reform is a horrible idea that just lines the pockets of big business and has no tangible impact on costs

[mgellan]

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

now here's my question, how do the bevies of people that die while waiting factor into the median wait times? are they considered satisfied customers when they drop dead on a moose hunt at 24 days?

You quoted ELECTIVE heart surgery "These are patients who are stable but have some form of heart health problem. Their procedure may be scheduled after a wait time without undue deterioration in their health status." Like, pick the highest number and use that to justify yourself. Nice job.

Regards,
Mg

[baalzy]

Originally Posted by Maddox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

US Healthcare System: In the last 6 years I have had three kids that cost about $500 each for everything from conception to home from hospital. My wife has had gall bladder removed with a few days notice and after a 4 day stay in the hospital. I paid $200. She also had wisdom teeth taken out which cost $150 and had no real wait time other than our schedule.

The doctors were overall excellent, the facilities were good, no real wait times, and was generally easy access to health services.

All-in with costs and insurance premiums, I've paid $12K over 6 years ($2K / year for those mathematically challenged). Reasonable costs to the consumer for good access and care. Welcome to the reality of 85%+ of Americans with insurance. Not sure the numbers but there are quite a few of the remaining <15% that are covered by government subsidies before Obamacare and have/had access to preventative care and nobody was turned away for emergency care.

Health care could certainly use reform and cost controls (Tort reform!) but lets not pretend we are living in Somalia. Cost of care is one thing, but pretending that US health care system sucks is just ignorant.

How much of your premium is being paid for by your employer?

My employer pays nearly 500/month for my insurance which would hit your 12k mark in 2 years.

You're saying you're paying 166 a month to cover yourself and your wife and have laughably low out of pocket expenses.

Either your employer is paying 90% or your insurance premiums or you're full of shit.

[Maddox]

Originally Posted by baalzy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How much of your premium is being paid for by your employer?

My employer pays nearly 500/month for my insurance which would hit your 12k mark in 2 years.

You're saying you're paying 166 a month to cover yourself and your wife and have laughably low out of pocket expenses.

Either your employer is paying 90% or your insurance premiums or you're full of shit.

Technically my premium for family coverage is $175 and yes, my employer pays a good deal. Good point however, I guess for your situation, McDonalds doesn't pay as much of the overall premium for hourly line workers.

The overriding point of my post is that if you move past the wait times and general statistics that people here will twist to whatever point they want to prove, here is a real example from the past 6 years of what I've paid and my experience with the health care industry in the US. Health care services in America are high-quality, they are on the high-side of affordable for a wide majority of Americans, costs overall need genuine reform, and the figures of 2 year lower life expectancy than the top nation or somewhat higher infant mortality does not mean that health services are not excellent and that all Americans are suffering under the repressive weight of this overly burdensome healthcare system. Cost reforms vs. overall system reform.