A Bard's Tale

[TarukShmaruk]

Originally Posted by webrunner5 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ok you mentioned 17 of them. I will give you credit for that. The rest just delete them like I said. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Pain in the ass.

We have all learned after playing this game for 14 years now the the "Holy Trinity" Is still the best way to go. And a Shaman added and a Rogue is the hot setup. I can't play a Bard worth a crap and 3/4 of the Bards on this server suck also. So as a healer I know what works and not. A Bard is not my top choise for another group member trust me on average.

I think you're nuts - I would take a bard any day, in any group, always. A good bard is extremely versatile and the songs are great.

Snare, mez, regen, slow, mana regen, haste, respectable melee damage....

[Calibix]

Originally Posted by zanderklocke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you want to see some awesome bards look to any of these (I might have forgotten some and did not include alts or people who did not level the character originally): Fauss, Astuce, Arrisard, Yibz, Ennio, Llaile, Lavarian, Deajay, Voski, Franswa, Halfelf, Retus, Capi, Dalven, Stefen, Giegue, and Culprit.

My mind is going blank for more, but any of these people will show you what a good bard can do in any situation.

I am both shamed and offended that I didn't make the list!! (Jaxinor) [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Too be fair, new to the server, and haven't been on much though. Still lvl 56 qqqqqqqq.

In regards to the whole swarm vs lvl in dungeon issue, I'd rather low hp kite with someone any day of the week. I also much prefer to duo/trio for the reason I'm about to elaborate on(and the fact full group xp is terrible). The problem with grouping is most people think they are good, when in fact they aren't. The more people you add to this group, the more likely you get one of those people (you know, like monks who agro an entire room and run it back without FD and call that pulling, tanks that can't hold agro, healers that start CH when your at 20%, the list is near endless).

So when I group, unless its that rare really nice group, I inevitably feel like I need to pick up the slack, which usually results in my death and no one else's trying to save the day. For example, the last Seb group I was in we were at chef camp. We had no tank, and the monk can't hold agro, so I'm tanking. I'm also the only CC, the only snare, 1 of 2 people trying to interrupt casts, and the only mana regen, which I never get a chance to use effectively since I'm also pulling because we have one of those winner monks (at least he asked for lull on chef room before I just said f it I'll pull too). Why I would subject myself to that when I could just get someone I know and trust to play well for significantly higher returns idk.

In regards to OP, I also leveled in OT from like 35-46 dragging an afk ranger and pally with me (yeah 3 hybrids /guntohead. Also didn't realize I should have moved to EJ). I think someone complained literally once or twice. And it was a guy I've seen complaining about a lot of random shit in other zones since then. Also, it was the first time I met Zanderr, and he was always courteous (and helpful with bard related questions) with me and I with him. I'd ask if he was kiting etc, and he'd let me know when he was done and vice versa. Definitely user error on OP's part.

[Dalven]

Originally Posted by Calibix [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In regards to the whole swarm vs lvl in dungeon issue, I'd rather low hp kite with someone any day of the week. I also much prefer to duo/trio for the reason I'm about to elaborate on(and the fact full group xp is terrible). The problem with grouping is most people think they are good, when in fact they aren't. The more people you add to this group, the more likely you get one of those people (you know, like monks who agro an entire room and run it back without FD and call that pulling, tanks that can't hold agro, healers that start CH when your at 20%, the list is near endless).

So when I group, unless its that rare really nice group, I inevitably feel like I need to pick up the slack, which usually results in my death and no one else's trying to save the day. For example, the last Seb group I was in we were at chef camp. We had no tank, and the monk can't hold agro, so I'm tanking. I'm also the only CC, the only snare, 1 of 2 people trying to interrupt casts, and the only mana regen, which I never get a chance to use effectively since I'm also pulling because we have one of those winner monks (at least he asked for lull on chef room before I just said f it I'll pull too). Why I would subject myself to that when I could just get someone I know and trust to play well for significantly higher returns idk.

As a bard you have the power to make these groups awesome. You have to work hard, often harder than most others in the group, but that's just part of being a bard. Being in a group with a cleric and four melees will happen to you and you do have to do everything.

I remember being in one group like this where I was doing the pulling/haste/cc/snare/slow/mana etc and somebody was still bitching that I wasn't chain pulling with charm. Picking up the slack is bard's job but you can manage all these roles with a bit of creative thinking - I find if somebody isn't doing something asking them to politely and saying why usually works. An example I often find myself using is asking people to root mobs so I can be out chain pulling without worrying the group will wipe if they don't get the mob down before snare wears off.

I feel a bit sorry for monks - there are so many casters in seb which must make FD pulling a nightmare. However bard's are so effective at pulling in Seb there's no way anyone else should be pulling over you in a group, no matter the set up.

If anything getting into a duo/trio with an enchanter or shammy is a lot of fun - I've duo'd/trio'd a lot of the camps in seb and its good to get out of the traditional group scenario as well.

The problem I have with low hp kiting is while its a creative way to level, once mastered it makes things trivial. Its why I only kited on and off up until level 40, and even then it was usually when I couldn't get a group. Once I went to Sol B and realised I could make such a big difference to groups that was the end of my kiting days, other than a few low hp kite - which was mostly just to prove I could do it.

These are things I've found in my 60 levels as a bard in any case [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Calibix]

Originally Posted by Dalven [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As a bard you have the power to make these groups awesome. You have to work hard, often harder than most others in the group, but that's just part of being a bard. Being in a group with a cleric and four melees will happen to you and you do have to do everything.

I remember being in one group like this where I was doing the pulling/haste/cc/snare/slow/mana etc and somebody was still bitching that I wasn't chain pulling with charm. Picking up the slack is bard's job but you can manage all these roles with a bit of creative thinking - I find if somebody isn't doing something asking them to politely and saying why usually works. An example I often find myself using is asking people to root mobs so I can be out chain pulling without worrying the group will wipe if they don't get the mob down before snare wears off.

I feel a bit sorry for monks - there are so many casters in seb which must make FD pulling a nightmare. However bard's are so effective at pulling in Seb there's no way anyone else should be pulling over you in a group, no matter the set up.

If anything getting into a duo/trio with an enchanter or shammy is a lot of fun - I've duo'd/trio'd a lot of the camps in seb and its good to get out of the traditional group scenario as well.

The problem I have with low hp kiting is while its a creative way to level, once mastered it makes things trivial. Its why I only kited on and off up until level 40, and even then it was usually when I couldn't get a group. Once I went to Sol B and realised I could make such a big difference to groups that was the end of my kiting days, other than a few low hp kite - which was mostly just to prove I could do it.

These are things I've found in my 60 levels as a bard in any case [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My point, which I think you kind of got, is that you have to work significantly harder than everyone else in that case. Or I could low hp kite with much less effort, much less risk, and much greater reward. Don't get me wrong, a good bard can carry a group so hard, more so than any other class in my opinion. But I also feel that everyone should carry their weight. If I'm doing that much work, I'd rather it be contributed to people who deserve it.

Don't get me wrong, I group a lot still, as I've only really been kiting with one person lately (Bob /wave!). I'm just to the point where I'd rather camp something solo than go through the headache of PuGs unless its an invite from a friend.

[Wudan]

I find it amazing that nobody cares about the fact he uses IP exemption to box the toon he is PLing.....wtf!

[Dalven]

Originally Posted by Calibix [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My point, which I think you kind of got, is that you have to work significantly harder than everyone else in that case. Or I could low hp kite with much less effort, much less risk, and much greater reward. Don't get me wrong, a good bard can carry a group so hard, more so than any other class in my opinion. But I also feel that everyone should carry their weight. If I'm doing that much work, I'd rather it be contributed to people who deserve it.

Don't get me wrong, I group a lot still, as I've only really been kiting with one person lately (Bob /wave!). I'm just to the point where I'd rather camp something solo than go through the headache of PuGs unless its an invite from a friend.

Yeah thats a fair point but not something I worry about. Some classes just aren't gonna be as hard work even when played to the limits of the class. Nobody said EQ was fair [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Spitty]

I certainly wouldn't trust you, since you've readily admitted to not having a clue how the bard class works.

SHM/BRD/DPS trios are fun as hell. Zero downtime.

In regards to the OP, our current contender for favorite server disruption has some self-awareness and compassion issues he needs to address. This is not an environment for positive development in those areas.

[Stinkum]

thread peaked at around pages 5-9 when Rojas' douche baggery was on full display

[Spitty]

Thanks for your contribution, as always.

[t0lkien]

As an aside - those of us playing Bards and not pawning ourselves endlessly for PL platt are not playing to be the most powerful; we're playing them because they are awesome fun.

Gasp! What!?

You're not min/maxing a 14 year old game within an inch of its life to gain power in a virtual world on a single private server that had no traction in the real world even when it was the most successful game of its kind? You're playing within a community of (mostly) old friends and like-minded enthusiasts to ENJOY YOURSELF??!!

GTFO....