Cold Case Files: VP in Seb - Page 11

Godefroi · #1 04-12-2013, 04:34 AM

Aenarie trying hard, just shows how dumb TMO can get.

Provide fraps of them pinging trak over FE, but it's some random dude in sebilis that decided to play with Trak with social aggro from rooms.

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AenarieFenninRo · #2 04-12-2013, 11:34 AM

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Aenarie trying hard, just shows how dumb TMO can get.

Provide fraps of them pinging trak over FE, but it's some random dude in sebilis that decided to play with Trak with social aggro from rooms.

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did you assist Trak and find out who it was? No
Could it have been TMO? yes, I have already said that it COULD possibly be
Could it have been FE? yes, I again said it COULD be anyone.
is there proof? no, the video shows Trak agro'ing, thats it... we cant tell who

Which part of that logic did you not understand? I stated facts that are viewable from the video, there is nobody we can see in the video responsible, therefore its personal bias to say that it was TMO, it would also be personal bias for me to claim it was FE. This is why I stated that it is UNKNOWN who caused it.

For you to come and now make a statement that I am "trying hard"... it was the simplest of situations to make statements of fact.... insinuation that it is someone when you have no way to prove it... thats hard [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Alarti0001 · #3 04-12-2013, 11:50 AM

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did you assist Trak and find out who it was? No
Could it have been TMO? yes, I have already said that it COULD possibly be
Could it have been FE? yes, I again said it COULD be anyone.
is there proof? no, the video shows Trak agro'ing, thats it... we cant tell who

Which part of that logic did you not understand? I stated facts that are viewable from the video, there is nobody we can see in the video responsible, therefore its personal bias to say that it was TMO, it would also be personal bias for me to claim it was FE. This is why I stated that it is UNKNOWN who caused it.

For you to come and now make a statement that I am "trying hard"... it was the simplest of situations to make statements of fact.... insinuation that it is someone when you have no way to prove it... thats hard [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And this is called rational thinking.

Mortiiss · #4 04-12-2013, 12:00 PM

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did you assist Trak and find out who it was? No
Could it have been TMO? yes, I have already said that it COULD possibly be
Could it have been FE? yes, I again said it COULD be anyone.
is there proof? no, the video shows Trak agro'ing, thats it... we cant tell who

Which part of that logic did you not understand? I stated facts that are viewable from the video, there is nobody we can see in the video responsible, therefore its personal bias to say that it was TMO, it would also be personal bias for me to claim it was FE. This is why I stated that it is UNKNOWN who caused it.

For you to come and now make a statement that I am "trying hard"... it was the simplest of situations to make statements of fact.... insinuation that it is someone when you have no way to prove it... thats hard [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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And this is called rational thinking.

So the fact that he doesn't move at all until FE logs in doesn't matter at all, thanks for not including that massive stipulation, very rational. Sure, the evidence isn't conclusive, but it doesn't look good at all for TMO. A little too timely it seems, and since this isn't the first time, it looks massive shady. This is why no one likes you, coupled with the fact of how you go about defending it on the forums and want evidence that would take multiple people running multiple fraps videos to 100% prove. Even then, they still might not find the character FDing and standing up over and over.

The timing is what is key in the video - Trak doesn't move until the SECOND FE start logging in. All it takes is one TMO on their setup spot telling the FD guy what to do, which is kinda what it looked like in the video. Can we 100% prove this? No, you're right we can't, but it's kind of obvious to anyone with a shred of intelligence who is watching the video that it's very likely some foul play is involved.

Alarti0001 · #5 04-12-2013, 12:10 PM

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So the fact that he doesn't move at all until FE logs in doesn't matter at all, thanks for not including that massive stipulation, very rational. Sure, the evidence isn't conclusive, but it doesn't look good at all for TMO. A little too timely it seems, and since this isn't the first time, it looks massive shady. This is why no one likes you, coupled with the fact of how you go about defending it on the forums and want evidence that would take multiple people running multiple fraps videos to 100% prove. Even then, they still might not find the character FDing and standing up over and over.

The timing is what is key in the video - Trak doesn't move until the SECOND FE start logging in. All it takes is one TMO on their setup spot telling the FD guy what to do, which is kinda what it looked like in the video. Can we 100% prove this? No, you're right we can't, but it's kind of obvious to anyone with a shred of intelligence who is watching the video that it's very likely some foul play is involved.

Or some bad play is involved.

You only except your biased judgement.... terrible.

Mortiiss · #6 04-12-2013, 12:11 PM

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Or some bad play is involved.

You only except your biased judgement.... terrible.

I "except" all variables actually, you don't. Terrible.

Hackscendence · #7 04-12-2013, 12:15 PM

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So the fact that he doesn't move at all until FE logs in doesn't matter at all, thanks for not including that massive stipulation, very rational. Sure, the evidence isn't conclusive, but it doesn't look good at all for TMO. A little too timely it seems, and since this isn't the first time, it looks massive shady. This is why no one likes you, coupled with the fact of how you go about defending it on the forums and want evidence that would take multiple people running multiple fraps videos to 100% prove. Even then, they still might not find the character FDing and standing up over and over.

The timing is what is key in the video - Trak doesn't move until the SECOND FE start logging in. All it takes is one TMO on their setup spot telling the FD guy what to do, which is kinda what it looked like in the video. Can we 100% prove this? No, you're right we can't, but it's kind of obvious to anyone with a shred of intelligence who is watching the video that it's very likely some foul play is involved.

And that's the difference, which hasbinbad originally pointed out, between Logic and Empiricism.

We know that FE had no reason to do this to themselves, and little opportunity to. We know the facts of the encounter (shroom room, etc) and we know that TMO wiped first. We know that TMO had little chance to compete with a full wipe and we know that FE had no reason to rush the encounter with TMO looking at a 15-20 minute recovery.

THIS is called rational thinking.

Yours is an Arguement from Ignorance.
Is that one on the list of fallacies you keep alt-tabbing over to, alarti?

You'd make a great preacher but a real shitty murder investigator.

Alarti0001 · #8 04-12-2013, 12:22 PM

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And that's the difference, which hasbinbad originally pointed out, between Logic and Empiricism.

We know that FE had no reason to do this to themselves, and little opportunity to. We know the facts of the encounter (shroom room, etc) and we know that TMO wiped first. We know that TMO had little chance to compete with a full wipe and we know that FE had no reason to rush the encounter with TMO looking at a 15-20 minute recovery.

THIS is called rational thinking.

Yours is an Arguement from Ignorance.
Is that one on the list of fallacies you keep alt-tabbing over to, alarti?

You'd make a great preacher but a real shitty murder investigator.

You don't know the facts actually. You assume the facts. That is the issue. Who said Trak was going to Shroom room.... you did. I see no evidence that he did that. he could have gone to the Jugg tunnels, and the second time he definitely ran straight to ledge.

You assume facts based on opinion without evidence. I know opinion based journalism is popular, fun and exciting, but its not proof/evidence/ or proper use of logic.

Thanks for looking up a logical fallacy and incorrectly trying to apply it however, I like when you try!

Here is some proper use. Merrk/Mortiiss entire case is an appeal to probability it is fallacious and illogical.

What I have said from the beginning is there is simply not enough evidence to prove any case here...there are too many possibilities/variables to draw any rational conclusion.

radditsu · #9 04-12-2013, 12:04 PM

The point is, WHY

WHY would we aggro trak in the lair when we had a free engage? no reason
WHY would we have anybody that could possibly aggro trak do so at that juncture? no reason
WHY would we do any of this without being 100% ready to attack? no reason

WHY would TMO aggro Trak?
1. To recover corpses
2. Failed to Clear FD aggro from previous engage. Idiot monk trains other guild
3. To Grief a guild who is getting keyed to be their primary antagonist in another zone.
4. To Harass a raid enough to give them a shot to recover and try again.

THE ONLY reason a FE would be in there is to take a shroom/kite juggs out for an engage. The fraps show that FE was not ready to engage the dragon, as most of them have either just camped in/ or at other points in the fraps, camping out to save the raid.

Either way its not sportsmanlike and sad. Should have let us have an engage. At the very least it exposes, yet again, the flippancy and idiocy of your "prove it" attitude. When, sans fraps from a no clipping character, can never conclusively "prove" anything. Especially when you are not allowed to use logic to extrapolate any conclusions from what evidence is provided.

Mortiiss · #10 04-12-2013, 12:06 PM

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The point is, WHY

WHY would we aggro trak in the lair when we had a free engage? no reason
WHY would we have anybody that could possibly aggro trak do so at that juncture? no reason
WHY would we do any of this without being 100% ready to attack? no reason

WHY would TMO aggro Trak?
1. To recover corpses
2. Failed to Clear FD aggro from previous engage. Idiot monk trains other guild
3. To Grief a guild who is getting keyed to be their primary antagonist in another zone.
4. To Harass a raid enough to give them a shot to recover and try again.

THE ONLY reason a FE would be in there is to take a shroom/kite juggs out for an engage. The fraps show that FE was not ready to engage the dragon, as most of them have either just camped in/ or at other points in the fraps, camping out to save the raid.

Either way its not sportsmanlike and sad. Should have let us have an engage. At the very least it exposes, yet again, the flippancy and idiocy of your "prove it" attitude. When, sans fraps from a no clipping character, can never conclusively "prove" anything. Especially when you are not allowed to use logic to extrapolate any conclusions from what evidence is provided.

Nah bro all that matters is what is 100% shown in video. Trakanon going to aggro ONLY when FE logs in, not once, but TWICE IN A ROW doesn't matter at all apparently.

I think TMO needs to learn what the word rational means. Dunno, maybe it's just me who thinks that.