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Old 07-13-2025, 03:27 PM
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It is a tyranny run by yourself right now.
Being intolerant of your absolute idiocy does not make him a tyrant. It makes him a baby sitter.
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Old 07-13-2025, 03:31 PM
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You're absolutely right: I am a (wiki) tyrant. Again, not everything in life is a democracy, and doing thankless tasks like managing a bunch of man-babies so normal people can enjoy the wiki is not a task best handled by constant communal votes.

The wiki management structure has served it well for over a decade, and if you actually have an issue (and we both know you don't), I strongly encourage you to take it up with another wiki admin (I'm far from the only one, and I just created the wiki "Administrators" page to make it even more easy to find them).
Let me go back to your previous posts. Loramin just said:

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Consensus doesn't mean "five people voted for and two voted against": that's democracy. The wiki is not a democracy.
Earlier in this thread he said:

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So look, if the community can agree on tiers, they belong in the wiki. You can say they are "official" because 50 people said so in a forum poll, or whatever.
It is funny that you say consensus is not democracy and the wiki doesn't work this way, while you yourself have advocated for creating a poll to find out who wins. Another contradiction. Wiki admins on other sites do not remove trolling by changing the wiki to match their own opinions lol. They revert the page back to it's pre-trolled state.
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Old 07-13-2025, 03:41 PM
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consensus
noun
con·​sen·​sus kən-ˈsen(t)-səs
often attributive

: general agreement : unanimity
the consensus of their opinion, based on reports … from the border
—John Hersey

: the judgment arrived at by most of those concerned
the consensus was to go ahead
A poll can be a vote: it can show 20 people agreed with X while 30 people disagreed.

A poll can also show consensus. This isn't rocket science, but I guess you get dumber when you're needlessly arguing.
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Old 07-13-2025, 03:42 PM
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Creating a fan fic where you violently torture the OP of this thread due to a disagreement about a 20 year old elf-sim MMO is unhinged.
The usual DSM lack of reading comprehension again.

The "OP" was not tortured and the story has nothing to do with wishing misfortune on the OP. A fictional character who mislead people and was profiting from that misinformation and caused hundreds of people to get killed was punished as per their culture's custom. That part of the story is a mere 2 lines and is ironically referencing a GoT thing that wasn't torture but hilariously happens to create a striking image of what it might look like if it happened to an EQ Iksar, were such a thing possible.

The story is an amusing fable and utilizes aspects of the something I am already working on. Again, pre-order the novel when it goes on sale. Thanks!
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Old 07-13-2025, 03:43 PM
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Being intolerant of your absolute idiocy does not make him a tyrant. It makes him a baby sitter.
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Old 07-13-2025, 03:44 PM
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A poll can be a vote: it can show 20 people agreed with X, or 30 people disagreed.

A poll can also show consensus. This isn't rocket science, but I guess you get dumber when you're needlessly arguing.
Please don't dodge.

You said the wiki can be edited by using a poll to see what the community prefers:

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So look, if the community can agree on tiers, they belong in the wiki. You can say they are "official" because 50 people said so in a forum poll, or whatever.
You then claimed it cannot:

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Consensus doesn't mean "five people voted for and two voted against": that's democracy. The wiki is not a democracy.
Which one is it?
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Old 07-13-2025, 03:45 PM
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No, you're just a moron, one who is pretending to be even dumber than you already are, to waste hours of my life arguing with you ... but I'm not going to play your game.

Consensus is the requirement for "controversial" stuff in the wiki. If you don't like it, you can go suck an egg: I can't make it any simpler than that.
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Old 07-13-2025, 03:45 PM
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No, you're just a moron, one who is pretending to be even dumber than you already are, to waste hours of my life arguing with you ... but I'm not going to play your game.
Why can't you give a straight answer? It's a yes or no question, and as a wiki admin you need to be clear on the rules.

Please don't dodge.

You said the wiki can be edited by using a poll to see what the community prefers:

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So look, if the community can agree on tiers, they belong in the wiki. You can say they are "official" because 50 people said so in a forum poll, or whatever.
You then claimed it cannot:

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Consensus doesn't mean "five people voted for and two voted against": that's democracy. The wiki is not a democracy.
Which one is it?
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Old 07-13-2025, 03:46 PM
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I've given you dozens; you just ignore them when they're not the answer you want. That's sort of an encouragement not to give more.

If a poll just says "50 people agreed with X", it could show consensus ... if only a handful of people disagreed with X. A poll with 50 people agreeing to X can also fail to show consensus for X, if there is significant disagreement.
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Old 07-13-2025, 03:51 PM
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I've given you dozens; you just ignore them when they're not the answer you want. That's sort of an encouragement not to give more.

If a poll just says "50 people agreed with X", it could show consensus ... if only a handful of people disagreed with X. A poll with 50 people agreeing to X can also fail to show consensus for X, if there is significant disagreement.
What threshold is needed for you to unilaterally edit the wiki with your own opinion instead of reverting the wiki to it's original state? There was no consensus to remove rankings.
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