NY GRAND JURY VOTES TO INDICT TRUMP

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Ooloo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes we've all heard that stupid george carlin routine. Being alive and struggling is still better than being killed without any say in the matter. Lots of people born into terrible circumstances end up doing amazing things in the world. And again, tons of people want to adopt kids. If you don't wanna take care of it, fine, give it to somebody who does instead of killing it. Maybe he or she will invent the cure for cancer some day, who knows?

And how do you know abortion restrictions are "purposely timed" so that women don't know they're pregnant? It could be the case (and is) that they're giving you a window in which to just take a god damn pregnancy test and you can still kill your baby, as long as it's before 12 weeks or whatever the particular window is. I haven't heard of any 6 week abortion bans btw.

And yes I am arguing in good faith. How am I not? Please tell me the "good faith" argument against abortion so I understand.

It's not a stupid argument though. If we're so concerned about the well being of an unborn child that we want to ban abortion, then we should follow through with appropriate social measures/funding to ensure that child can have the best life it possibly can. It rings false and disingenuous when we want to wash our hands of any responsibility to help the children once they're actually born, and it basically just makes the whole sanctity of life argument not a good faith argument.

As for the 6 week bills, they were drafted that way because it would be much easier to challenge an outright 100% ban on abortion in the courts. Things like irregular periods, etc. can make someone totally unaware they are pregnant at 6 weeks and therefore in practice you essentially have an outright ban on abortion without actually having to legislate a complete ban. I will give them credit, it's definitely a smart legal strategy. I'm also not sure how you haven't heard of them...like nearly a third of the states in the US have enacted them over the past few years.

What really gets me is the people who also want to ban any sort of contraceptives or birth control...like okay let's put out there that there's a hypothetical ban on abortion because all the people like you are like "well, don't fuck around and get pregnant accidentally and then want to kill your baby"....but then those same people also want to make it impossible to prevent unwanted pregnancies in the first place. The illogic.

[aussenseiter]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What really gets me is the people who also want to ban any sort of contraceptives or birth control...like okay let's put out there that there's a hypothetical ban on abortion because all the people like you are like "well, don't fuck around and get pregnant accidentally and then want to kill your baby"....but then those same people also want to make it impossible to prevent unwanted pregnancies in the first place. The illogic.

Unenumerated rights is the beef. They're mad about new positive rights being created under substantive due process. (The Burger Court made up a lot of nonsense).

[Ooloo]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's not a stupid argument though. If we're so concerned about the well being of an unborn child that we want to ban abortion, then we should follow through with appropriate social measures/funding to ensure that child can have the best life it possibly can. It rings false and disingenuous when we want to wash our hands of any responsibility to help the children once they're actually born, and it basically just makes the whole sanctity of life argument not a good faith argument.

As for the 6 week bills, they were drafted that way because it would be much easier to challenge an outright 100% ban on abortion in the courts. Things like irregular periods, etc. can make someone totally unaware they are pregnant at 6 weeks and therefore in practice you essentially have an outright ban on abortion without actually having to legislate a complete ban. I will give them credit, it's definitely a smart legal strategy. I'm also not sure how you haven't heard of them...like nearly a third of the states in the US have enacted them over the past few years.

What really gets me is the people who also want to ban any sort of contraceptives or birth control...like okay let's put out there that there's a hypothetical ban on abortion because all the people like you are like "well, don't fuck around and get pregnant accidentally and then want to kill your baby"....but then those same people also want to make it impossible to prevent unwanted pregnancies in the first place. The illogic.

I'm sorry but it is a complete non-sequitur to say that since not every child is born into ideal circumstances they should instead be killed, which is essentially what you're saying.

Show me your plan to improve the lives of children born into poverty, cause I'll probably agree with it. But I won't agree that if we can't enact that plan we should kill the kids out of some sense of mercy, because that's insane.

I completely agree with you that bans on contraception are idiotic btw. I'm not a religious person and I think people should be able to bang as much as they like. But they should also understand that pregnancy is always a possibility, and abortion is not birth control.

[aussenseiter]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ironically everyone is so focused on abortion, but once the baby is born no one seems to want to fund necessary reforms that would actually help the child's life.

Give me Communism or give the child death!

[cd288]

Originally Posted by aussenseiter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Give me Communism or give the child death!

I mean, that's not really what communism is but okay lol

[aussenseiter]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I mean, that's not really what communism is but okay lol

I thought fire departments were Communism?

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

I shall help you out. Human consciousness, St. Augustine argued, is in the image of God. Therefore it has a three-fold structure.

Experience (or consciousness) exists within and part of a creation, whose object is ultimately the adoration of God. The adoration can occur through any of the senses, for example, as we enjoy the creation.

The self and its capacity to experience and be with the creation is the Father-Son part of the triad. "The self is made flesh and becomes flesh and is flesh." And the world crucifies you for it.

There remains the third "person" of the human being. Self, Other, and Time. We think of the world, of ourselves, of God, through the lag and memories of a time-based creation. Spirit-like, we are always haunted by time.

Now, that's Augustine. De Trinitate is the name of the book. I've read it.

And I remember it.

I am haunted by waters.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

I mean, should I be the God guy? I can do lots of diff moves. You want standard Anglicized American protestantism, hell, I can do that without even lookin' up the verse!

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

You want serious Catholic? Life is a seamless garment, my friends.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

No. No, I think...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeZlih4DDNg