Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[cyxthryth]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are not even reading my arguments correctly. Where am I DoTing mobs that are dying in 30 seconds due to Enchanter pets? https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=638

You did not post data / evidence of your Shaman DPSing in a group with Enchanter pets nor ANY other players as was requested of you, multiple times by multiple people in this thread - therefore, your data does not include Enchanter pets. It's quite simple, really. I bet you feel "silly" asking where are the mobs dying to Enchanter pets in your data or "argument" now. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

For anyone who needs a recap:

All I can do is re-state the facts in continued effort to attempt to continue the discussion(s) in a civil manner. The ball is in DSM's court.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

as the data shows.

Originally Posted by cyxthryth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You called me "silly" when you were backed into a corner by my replies to you on the below thread too, and you stopped replying (like a little bitch): https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...401629&page=37.

How's it going in that corner you've been backed into?

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am maintaining civility in this discussion, and my position is founded on hard evidence. The only insults I throw are thrown in defense.

Originally Posted by cyxthryth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, you have not maintained civility in this discussion.

I have maintained civility in my posts to you - in which I have ONLY stated facts and asked questions - and despite my civility you have (repeatedly) called me a troll, called me silly, accused me of doing/posting things I have not done/posted, and meanwhile have continued to ignore my simple questions and avoided responding to the many facts I've stated. I present both of our posts - from this thread and elsewhere - as evidence of my civility, and you have provided no counterevidence despite me requesting you provide it (multiple times).

Why do you opt out of partaking in a civil discussion with me, and meanwhile claim that you are maintaining civility in this discussion (yet choose to continue to call me names for [seemingly] no reason)?


Why do you feel the need to "defend yourself" from any of the facts I have stated or questions I have asked?

[Karanis]

DSM: dude you don't haste charm pets at low levels idiot

also DSM: being in a group doesn't change dps at all, my warrior's dps is still superior to charm pet dps

me: (imagining a world where an enchanter that's grouped with just about anyone, ISN'T hasting AND weaponizing their pet, absolutely crushing warrior dps)

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[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Karanis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

DSM: dude you don't haste charm pets at low levels idiot

also DSM: being in a group doesn't change dps at all, my warrior's dps is still superior to charm pet dps

me: (imagining a world where an enchanter that's grouped with just about anyone, ISN'T hasting AND weaponizing their pet, absolutely crushing warrior dps)

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Nice strawman. We are talking about levels 12-30, where your charmed pet is dying quickly and getting killed for XP. Also, if the Charmed pet is spell hasted, then so is the Warrior, so both would get a boost to DPS. My Warrior wasn't spell hasted either. This really isn't hard.

[PlsNoBan]

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I mean, it's so damn simple to figure out. If 2 enchanters and 1 cleric are chainsawing through mobs with 2 charms, then how does a shaman casting dots, which won't even reach full duration, on the mobs being killed mean anything?

Yea he changed gears to saying he would nuke as a shaman on fast dying mobs and pointed out he "only" does 27 less dps than a mage using his (probably faulty) data. I had to point out to him that a difference of 27 dps is fairly large when the top end is 82 dps. Troxx's mage did literally 50% more DPS than him using his own data which is very likely skewed in his favor. Then when I pointed this out he rotated to "But muh utility outweighs the damage. Damage doesn't matter cuz charms"

He's literally impossible to have a reasonable argument with

[Ripqozko]

Join VQ and speak with DSM daily, doesn’t that sound like fun

[DeathsSilkyMist]

The only people who are impossible to reason with are the people who think they can say "I am right, you are wrong, and I don't have to prove it".

Don't blame me for not accepting such a fallacious argument. Troxx could have proved me wrong days ago with more accurate parse data lol. You could have too[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have provided more data than all of the opposition combined. There isn't any evidence from the opposition to disprove my data, other than just saying "I don't like it, so it must be wrong". That is also fallacious hehe.

[slard271]

I think if we can harness the energy going into this thread we can solve world hunger. Or mine bitcoin. Or solve the self-induced energy crisis plaguing the planet. Or something.

[cyxthryth]

Originally Posted by slard271 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think if we can harness the energy going into this thread we can solve world hunger. Or mine bitcoin. Or solve the self-induced energy crisis plaguing the planet. Or something.

All I have done is make factual statements or ask simple questions. I do not know whether DSM is incapable of discussing or "arguing" civilly or what his reasons are for continuing to ignore my fact-filled simple-question-posing posts directed toward him (I am asking him, repeatedly), but he has not demonstrated the capability to discuss or "argue" civilly in his post history nor in this thread - which I submit (both of, as well as my own post history [in this thread and elsewhere] so that the context of replies [or lack thereof] make sense) as evidence - and he has provided no counterevidence despite multiple direct requests (from myself) asking him to provide it (or any [direct, rather than calling me a troll in response to someone else] reply at all).

All I can do is re-state the facts in continued effort to attempt to continue the discussion(s) in a civil manner. The ball is in DSM's court.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

as the data shows.

Originally Posted by cyxthryth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You called me "silly" when you were backed into a corner by my replies to you on the below thread too, and you stopped replying (like a little bitch): https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...401629&page=37.

How's it going in that corner you've been backed into?

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am maintaining civility in this discussion, and my position is founded on hard evidence. The only insults I throw are thrown in defense.

Originally Posted by cyxthryth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, you have not maintained civility in this discussion.

I have maintained civility in my posts to you - in which I have ONLY stated facts and asked questions - and despite my civility you have (repeatedly) called me a troll, called me silly, accused me of doing/posting things I have not done/posted, and meanwhile have continued to ignore my simple questions and avoided responding to the many facts I've stated. I present both of our posts - from this thread and elsewhere - as evidence of my civility, and you have provided no counterevidence despite me requesting you provide it (multiple times).

Why do you opt out of partaking in a civil discussion with me, and meanwhile claim that you are maintaining civility in this discussion (yet choose to continue to call me names for [seemingly] no reason)?


Why do you feel the need to "defend yourself" from any of the facts I have stated or questions I have asked?

[Karanis]

An enchanter that's grouped 12-30 absolutely can and should haste and at least torch their pet, doesn't matter if you have haste also, your dps is going to get smoked.

Also, if you have a goblin ring and you're losing pet gear you're doing it wrong, and before you say OMG that's a 5k item, I didn't have a 5k item in my parse! That's fine, we can grant you whatever 5k item you want in this hypothetical.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Karanis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

An enchanter that's grouped 12-30 absolutely can and should haste and at least torch their pet, doesn't matter if you have haste also, your dps is going to get smoked.

Also, if you have a goblin ring and you're losing pet gear you're doing it wrong, and before you say OMG that's a 5k item, I didn't have a 5k item in my parse! That's fine, we can grant you whatever 5k item you want in this hypothetical.

I have no problem for the Enchanter having gaz ring. I am not the person making arbitrary gear restrictions hehe. The issue is simply at low levels you are going to be losing torches/muzzles at a higher rate, and spending more mana maintaining haste due to it's lower duration, how fast pets die, and how slow you regen mana at that level. You are assuming 100% coverage, which is going to be tough.