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Old 06-09-2010, 10:56 AM
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Just chipping in with some updates:
As of last night, Cyrano and I spent several hours on IRC hashing out some of the finer points of the diagram. This is what we came up with:

1) Veeshan is the dragon at the center.
2) The pact of Brell, Prexus and Tunare joins Veeshan at the center of the circle.
3) The symbol to the left ear of Veeshan represents Antonia Bayle; the three rays of light can be found above the castle on the heraldry of Qeynos.
4) By elimination, the opposing symbol must be that of Lucan D'Lere.

On Antonia:
She represents the "good" half of humanity, and is the protector of Enoxus, the planar-sourced Claymore of Qeynos, which was once wielded by Roehn Theer the Godslayer to keep the gods in check.

On Lucan:
He represents the "evil" half of humanity, and is the wielder of Aeteok, which we know to be Soulfire. Soulfire was also wielded by Roehn Theer the Godslayer to keep the gods in check.

On them both:
The most recent expansion for EverQuest 2 was titled "Sentinel's Fate," and the cover contains both swords combined.

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What we may derive from this symbolism we do not yet know, but it seems the path for us is a little clearer.

OTHER DISCOVERIES:
After deliberation, it has been confirmed that the 1/2 PM symbol is the Rune of Sunder, which foretold the destruction of Luclin. The symbol is also said to have an ancient partner, the Rune of Ethernere at the 3 PM position.

Documents from Rikantus Everling and Valdoartus Varsoon in EverQuest 2 confirm that this is the Rune of Ethernere. Ethernere a "symbol [that] represents a dimensional plane of existence far different than the known planes." Rikantus Everling's soul was divided into three parts by the primal forces of the Ethernere, and he became three separate shades: Rikantus Everling, Antiquitor Kantus Mor'Tael and Rikantus!

Now, in EQ2 lore, Rikantus Everling had a shop in Freeport past:
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Although the shop produced an affluent clientele, it was located in the poorer section of Freeport due to its humble beginnings. It is said that it was also the perfect place to move contraband to and from the shop. That section of the city was later razed by the Freeport Office of Landholders by order of Sir Lucan D'Lere. They hired a dwarf crew to do the dirty work, Demolition Guild 426. I doubt you could find any remnants from that curios shop. However, an odd thing has been reported in the back alley taverns and black markets of Norrath, some say they have recently visited the House of Everling. Of course, those people that made such claims must be rathed. That entire section of Freeport was razed approximately three centuries ago and there is no record of a new Everling shop within Freeport. This would seem the case since a few of those few recent patrons have attempted to prove the existence of the shop only to find it was not where they thought it was.
Anything razed in EQ2 approximately "three centuries ago" still exists in the timeline of EQ1.

On the Rune of Sunder, we know several things:
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Look to the stone of the Shissar.
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"Hail, Antiquitor Kantus Mor'Tael"

Antiquitor Kantus Mor'Tael says to you, "Do I know you? Yes... the rune... the rune is the key."

"The rune of sunder?"

"You! I know you. The mystery begins with sunder."

"What is the mystery behind the rune? Where do I begin my quest?"

"Time is short. The rune is but one. I am... divided."

"No! Do not go."

It was too late. Whatever deeper memory within the man spoke to me, it had faded and he was nothing but a merchant of curios once again.
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Rikantus says, "The rune's family awaits."

"What family?", you asked him.

"It is a single key of a great ring."

"What do you mean?"

"My thoughts... they fade and focus. Do not abandon the mystery. Do... not... abandon..."

"Stay with me, Rikantus!"
And one more thing:
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On your way to Everling's Laboratory, you stumbled upon Everling's Research Lab and found 6 circles on the floor. You placed the dolls you acquired within. Idol of Everling appeared in the center and you took it. On the bottom of the idol you found an inscription that read, "Mor'Tael of Vul, Merchant of Oblivion, Servant of Theer". When you examined the idol further, you received an odd message, as if a voice had spoken. "Within thickets of fiend and flesh, through a tunnel beyond death... I call to you."
TO SUMMARIZE: The Idol of Everling depics Mor'tael of Vul, a servant of Roehn Theer the Godslayer. Mor'tael was an aspect of Rikantus Everling, the man who entered the Ethernere to avenge his daughters.

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Old 06-09-2010, 11:05 AM
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Old 06-09-2010, 11:17 AM
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Further proof that Antonia/Enoxus is at the 10 PM inside the circle:
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Velia Truesight says to you, "'To access the chamber, stand before the claymore monument and utter the words "Honor, Valor and Truth." The true Enoxus is on the inner ring of the calendar, at ten o'clock.'"
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Velia Treusight says to you, "Kyle Antihilus Bayle, the Cure-Bearer, has returned from the grave? Fascinating! Does it get any weirder?"

You say, "It wasn't a coup attempt after all. He's in league with some creature from the void that desires the Qeynos Claymore."

Velia Truesight says to you, "Hmmmm... well, I suppose that could make sense. Right now the Order of Marr has Enoxus, the Claymore. So perhaps that membership roster I translated was one of theirs? I thought it contained too many non-Qeynosians to be some national organization."
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Old 06-09-2010, 11:21 AM
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Something that also feels relevant:

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You say, "Hail, A stranger"

a stranger says to you, "Teir'Dal, you remind me of the past. So alike are we. I pray that we do not run the same path... for the sake of all Norrath."

You say to a stranger, "Who are you?"

a stranger says to you, "My apologies! It is quite rude of me to retain my helm in the midst of social activities such as our conversation. Ah! This is much better."

You say to a stranger, "It is you, Mayong Mistmoore!"

a stranger says to you, "There is no need to be alarmed. I am not searching for new recruits nor am I interested in libation. Now, let us discuss the Chelsith Stone."

You say to a stranger, "Where is Fiddy Bobick?"

a stranger says to you, "Like all the relevant items in this shadow box, he has been returned to my vaults for further research. I cannot have the stench of the shadows interfere with fate. But do not worry, he shall be released in due time, safe and sound."

You say to Lord Mayong Mistmoore, "What do you mean by the phrase, "shadow box?""

Lord Mayong Mistmoore says to you, "This Moppet Shoppe does not exist. It is a pocket outside of time and space, but still bordering our world. The shadows often lurk in places like this. It is where they have the most power outside of oblivion."

You say to Lord Mayong Mistmoore, "What were they looking for?"

Lord Mayong Mistmoore says to you, "One of their agents used Lord Bobick as a vessel. He then came to Kunark in search of the origin of the Chelsith Stone. They found it, after possessing some of my minions and stealing the stone along with their bodies. Fortunately, they also encountered the guardian of the chamber, the Leviathan."

You say to Lord Mayong Mistmoore, "Then they needed me and my heroes to destroy the Leviathan."

Lord Mayong Mistmoore says to you, "You and your army slew the beast and reclaimed the stone. They would have taken it from you had you happened to lose to a shadow infused Lord Bobick. But you are far too powerful for a shadow and some overpowered moppets."

You say to Lord Mayong Mistmoore, "Then you came here to reclaim the Chelsith Stone."

Lord Mayong Mistmoore says to you, "I sent the drachnids to Kunark to find the Chamber of Destiny. It was discovered and you have rid it of the guardian. I can now study the chamber in private. The shissar have left us a calendar within that must be excavated. The stone was once part of this."

You say to Lord Mayong Mistmoore, "What is so special about a calendar."

Lord Mayong Mistmoore says to you, "The shissar marked the end of our universe on the calendar, Ages End. Unfortunately, the Leviathan has buried the chamber and all of Chelsith in its arcane excrement. My minions will work hard and long to uncover the calendar."

You say to Lord Mayong Mistmoore, "But what does the Chelsith Stone have to do with a calendar."

Lord Mayong Mistmoore says to you, "It is the sigil at the heart of the calendar, or it was, until a would be chieftain named Thuuga removed it from its resting place. "
You say to Lord Mayong Mistmoore, "What do you do with the sigil? "

Lord Mayong Mistmoore says to you, "Nothing... yet. The Sigil of Ages End is a gift from the planar realms. It is not as we once believed in Mistmyr. The powers above are ignorant and they passed that curse onto us. Such are the fruits of blind faith. However, I know much more than I did back then."

You say to Lord Mayong Mistmoore, "What did you learn about the sigil?"

Lord Mayong Mistmoore to you, "It is a key to Ages End, but it is not the only one. It is only part of the puzzle that must be assembled. I must uncover the calendar and find the other pieces of the puzzle, the Monoliths of Theer."

You say to Lord Mayong Mistmoore, "I will not let you have the Chelsith Stone."

Lord Mayong Mistmoore says to you, "You will hand it to me freely and just as easily as I allowed Aeteok to return to Sir Lucan D'Lere. Destiny shall bring us together on the brink of Ages End."
You say to Lord Mayong Mistmoore, "Then I can keep the stone?"

Lord Mayong Mistmoore says to you, "You will keep the stone safe until we are destined to meet again. We have begun an odyssey that we cannot walk away from. It will always be a part of our lives, until we meet at the end."

You say to Lord Mayong Mistmoore, "What now?"

Lord Mayong Mistmoore says to you, "I shall continue the hunt for the sixteen Monoliths of Theer and you shall hone your skills. You may be a champion, the finest on Norrath, but that is not good enough to face what we must face... at the end."

You say to Lord Mayong Mistmoore, "When will we meet again?"

Lord Mayong Mistmoore says to you, "We'll meet beyond the mirror of destiny. Until then, keep the stone safe and never let it go."

You say to Lord Mayong Mistmoore, "What happens if I lose it?"

Some experience has been paid toward your debt.

Lord Mayong Mistmoore says to you, "Then I will have no need of you and you can return to being an untapped cask of blood. Make no mistake, we are not friends. Do not lose the one thing that keeps you alive. Now, go before this place collapses."

You say to Lord Mayong Mistmoore, "Farewell."

You receive: The Chelsith Stone
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Old 06-09-2010, 11:29 AM
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I dont really get whats this all about, looks very interesting but i guess my english is too bad.

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This is a screenshot i made in EQ2. Its in the tower over freeport, its Lucans place. Those burning things you see in the middle of the symbols are copies of soulfire (one of them is the original).


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I believe this is inside Shard of Love (it really looks like that). Behind this door you fight Mithaniel Marr, so the symbol on the door is related to Mithaniel or Erollisi Marr i think.
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Old 06-09-2010, 12:39 PM
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The symbol on the orb is Veeshan , ruler of the Plane of Sky ( the sky surrounds Norrath!) and the first to populate Norrath with her brood. This also means the orb depicted on the stone is Norrath. The circle around Norrath represents Veeshan's Veil over Norrath or maybe some sort of "circle of protection?". The three symbols "on" Norrath are that of Brell Serilis ( the arrow with 3 candles ) , Tunare ( the 9 seeds ) , and Prexus ( 3 waves ). They are "on" Norrath because they were the next Gods to populate Norrath with their creations. The 3 symbols "surrounding" Veeshan also represent the pact that they made together to keep Veeshan in check. According to lore, Ralos Zek was also present at this meeting of the "good" gods but kept his distance so to say.
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Old 06-09-2010, 02:53 PM
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I'm confident the Gnome we're looking for is Meldrath, the event in question was opening up Paineel. However, the version we need is GM controlled so he's not very important in the mino caves =P

The southeast emblem is of Bertoxx, it is the symbol of the Xolous who effectively created him. In EQOA lore the Xolous are the only thing feared by dragons, they worshiped disease. Consequently the dead hills lie where they used to live until Bertoxx removed it to the plane of disease.

Following the Xolous a new immortal race came to live in the Dead Hills who were obsessed with death and studying it. This was the Envar, the alien-esque race of Rodcet Knife (little known fact, he is actually the second prime healer).

A modern day (p99) version of this symbol are the Obelisks, which is a source of power for Bertoxx. As we know that the Xulous and Envar were all-powerful races, we also know that the Erudites appropriated it from a cache of knowledge they discovered which brought Norrath out of the Lost Age. Isn't it interesting that th heart of disease and the heart of healing - eternal enemies - came from the same area? Isn't it also interesting that upon openly using Necrotic powers the Erudites had their first civil war then split into two separate groups in Paineel and Erudin? What if the Xolous and Envar came from the same origins? The only hitch in this; Envar look like aliens.
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Old 06-09-2010, 03:03 PM
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I'm confident the Gnome we're looking for is Meldrath, the event in question was opening up Paineel. However, the version we need is GM controlled so he's not very important in the mino caves =P

The southeast emblem is of Bertoxx, it is the symbol of the Xolous who effectively created him. In EQOA lore the Xolous are the only thing feared by dragons, they worshiped disease. Consequently the dead hills lie where they used to live until Bertoxx removed it to the plane of disease.

Following the Xolous a new immortal race came to live in the Dead Hills who were obsessed with death and studying it. This was the Envar, the alien-esque race of Rodcet Knife (little known fact, he is actually the second prime healer).

A modern day (p99) version of this symbol are the Obelisks, which is a source of power for Bertoxx. As we know that the Xulous and Envar were all-powerful races, we also know that the Erudites appropriated it from a cache of knowledge they discovered which brought Norrath out of the Lost Age. Isn't it interesting that th heart of disease and the heart of healing - eternal enemies - came from the same area? Isn't it also interesting that upon openly using Necrotic powers the Erudites had their first civil war then split into two separate groups in Paineel and Erudin? What if the Xolous and Envar came from the same origins? The only hitch in this; Envar look like aliens.
Alot of this makes since. I had a guildmate tell me he was chosen by a GM to find the city of Envar, which is in the Dead Hills. If you look on the Classic cloth map or anymap online with only classic/kunark/velious. The Dead Hills are just south of Feerott but dont actually exist here.
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Old 06-09-2010, 02:59 PM
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IMO all these symbols are random filler. I think it's a little nonsensical to build EQ lore from what we "know" from classic back in 1999 and EQ2 now.

I think we need an explanation for why the dark elves have that symbol in their home city. Without that explanation we're ignoring something important.
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Old 06-09-2010, 03:11 PM
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It's not filler, the entire thing was planned before EQ was even created by the lore writers during the PNP sessions back in the day. Tony Garcia created Lucan (one of the central figures in this story arc), Mayong, etc. long before EQ was ever an idea.
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