2012 Presidential Debates

[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by dredge [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

don't fool yourself, there are plenty of non-capitalist countries that score higher.

for example:
http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=...1#.UGyqHNXNkS8

just google Denmark

Now I'm not saying Socialism is the answer for a Nation the size as the U.S. but going around tooting a U.S.A is the best just because attitude isn't necessarily right.

and back to my original point, there is another option in the "Libertarian party" but the public won't get to hear their position, and that's a shame and not right in my book and I don't even agree with the Libertarians on a few issues, but still they're the only ones with a different opinions on many issues.

Not really fair to compare those kinds of ratings for the US vs micro-European countries. Denmark has a population of 5.5 million. That's about the same as Minnesota.

America isn't and can't be #1 in everything, just by virtue of its size. But it's the most powerful and richest nation in the world, and it ranks consistently well in just about every measure that relates to quality and longevity of life.

We don't get everything right, but unless you want to live in a tiny, culturally homogenous country that relies on others for its security, you can't do much better than the US.

[mgellan]

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

it ranks consistently well in just about every measure that relates to quality and longevity of life.

We don't get everything right, but unless you want to live in a tiny, culturally homogenous country that relies on others for its security, you can't do much better than the US.

Nooooo, it doesn't. Read back to my original post, the USA ranks much lower than most countries in exactly those measures. Saying the same thing over and over again doesn't make it true [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Regards,
Mg

[MrSparkle001]

Originally Posted by mgellan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Saying the same thing over and over again doesn't make it true [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Regards,
Mg

That's pretty much what Romney said.

[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by mgellan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nooooo, it doesn't. Read back to my original post, the USA ranks much lower than most countries in exactly those measures. Saying the same thing over and over again doesn't make it true [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Are you referring to the post in which you discuss the Human Development Index, which ranks 177 countries? The post in which you praise the Human Development Index for "exactly those measures" which relate to quality and longevity of life? The one in which you deride the US for "barely cracking the top 25"? Because there seems to be an issue with both proportions and your fact checking. The top 25, out of 177, is not much lower than most countries by any definition of "most" that I am aware of.

Beyond that, the United States is not barely cracking the top 25. In the 2011 rankings of Human Development Index, the United States ranks fourth -- behind Norway, Australia, and the Netherlands. Norway has a population of 5 million. Australia has a population of 22 million. The Netherlands has a population of 17 million. If you combined all three countries, their amalgamation would have a population total less than 20% of the United States' population. Norway is comprised of 86% Norwegians. Australia is comprised of 90% European ancestry. The Netherlands is comprised of 81% Dutch. As I said, if you desire to live in a micro-nation that is culturally homogenous and dependent upon others for security, there are a few options that offer higher average quality of living than the United States. Although, of course, immigration prospects to a nation of 5 or 17 or 22 million are fairly bleak for, well, just about everyone.

The bit about atheism is also pretty silly. The US, Ireland, Israel, Spain, and Italy are among the most religious developed nations in the world. They rate #4, #7, #17, #23, and #24 in Human Development Index. The Czech Republic is statistically the most atheist developed nation in the world. They rank #27 in Human Development Index.

[Barkingturtle]

Originally Posted by dredge [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

^ this should upset you more, or instead of worrying about some poor people's 2 groceries cart, worry about why all these companies are having record breaking profits while everyone I know has to make more and more sacrifices just to barely make it day to day, while "they're" living off the fat of the lamb, cutting more and more jobs

True that.

And what's the alternative? Just let people starve so you don't have to feel envious of them at the check-out line?

[Kraftwerk]

Originally Posted by Barkingturtle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

True that.

And what's the alternative? Just let people starve so you don't have to feel envious of them at the check-out line?

Valar morghulis.

[Lexical]

Here is the link for the presidential debate in case anybody wants it: http://www.youtube.com/politics

[Tanthallas]

Lets just mimic England in the 19th century. Kids can sleep in bunk beds at the factories they work at and 90% of the population can be on the verge of starvation. That will teach those lazy sobs.

[Barkingturtle]

Originally Posted by Reikerz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Explain.

It was a joke, idiot.

[Tarathiel]

fuck american politics, fuck a 2 party system, fuck corporate media

if you shit heads really think you have a "choice" at this years election then you are as blind as anne frank. your vote means shit