FTE is Fing stupid

[Vandy]

Another big problem here is that accounts are free there is no subscription so the buying/selling of accounts is widespread. People buy up massive numbers of accounts and then you can have a toon parked at every raid mob you want and ready to go while you play your others. Not having to pay $10/month per account. I would assume that a majority of people who are casual don't have 5+ level 55+ accounts that they can just park everywhere and be ready to go when a raid mob spawns.

[Pringles]

Originally Posted by Vandy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Another big problem here is that accounts are free there is no subscription so the buying/selling of accounts is widespread. People buy up massive numbers of accounts and then you can have a toon parked at every raid mob you want and ready to go while you play your others. Not having to pay $10/month per account. I would assume that a majority of people who are casual don't have 5+ level 55+ accounts that they can just park everywhere and be ready to go when a raid mob spawns.

I suspect that certain guilds collectively own many of these characters to park at said spawns to login at a moments notice. Its easy to pay for a well geared character with just one mob drop. This way you need only a handful of mains to be there to loot up what they have been waiting for, while the rest of the "expendable" accounts login to help with the kill... and since anyone can log them in at any time..... easy work, and poopsocking is null and void.

[Tarathiel]

Originally Posted by Pringles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I suspect that certain guilds collectively own many of these characters to park at said spawns to login at a moments notice. Its easy to pay for a well geared character with just one mob drop. This way you need only a handful of mains to be there to loot up what they have been waiting for, while the rest of the "expendable" accounts login to help with the kill... and since anyone can log them in at any time..... easy work, and poopsocking is null and void.

your suspicions are pretty accurate

[quido]

I sure wish I'd had a bunch of plat during The Great Exoduses =P

[Camulet]

I havent had much experience with raiding on P99 - but I played on Veeshan in Circle of Eternity (arguable 2nd best guild on the server) and I remember FoH setting up a rotation on mobs and being fairly reasonable. Never experienced this kind of behaviour and from an outside perspective some of these posts sound pretty immature.

OP seems to be a reasonable solution to a problem. Yes maybe not a TMO problem but I for one want to raid when I get to the appropriate level and if I cant do my epic or get items I want because one guild has it all on lock down - ill probably call it quits which I presume happens to alot of people if they cant achieve their goals.

So for server health a more mature attitude would be beneficial.

FYI I have grouped with TMO and BDA people and found them all to be nice so I presume the immature attitudes are a select few and limited to the raid scene.

Zar /wink

[kphooper33]

Originally Posted by Camulet [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I havent had much experience with raiding on P99 - but I played on Veeshan in Circle of Eternity (arguable 2nd best guild on the server) and I remember FoH setting up a rotation on mobs and being fairly reasonable. Never experienced this kind of behaviour and from an outside perspective some of these posts sound pretty immature.

OP seems to be a reasonable solution to a problem. Yes maybe not a TMO problem but I for one want to raid when I get to the appropriate level and if I cant do my epic or get items I want because one guild has it all on lock down - ill probably call it quits which I presume happens to alot of people if they cant achieve their goals.

So for server health a more mature attitude would be beneficial.

FYI I have grouped with TMO and BDA people and found them all to be nice so I presume the immature attitudes are a select few and limited to the raid scene.

Zar /wink

Don't try to reason with them. They can play more than you therefore they are cooler, just ask them. Welcome to the raid world of P99. They don't care what worked for FoH and kept live servers working smoothly. A rotation? Please! Building a community instead of spreading animosity/resentment throughout the server? Pahlease! But I might not be able to loot my 9,000th trak tooth or 37th Tolan's BP, are you crazy! This is the logic you are arguing against. Just give up, it isn't changing. Just wait for Velious to come out and then maybe there will be enough content that the gaming heros of P99 will not be able to keep it all down. As has been written in previous posts, loot is not the reason, it's because they can. My IRL buddy the other day was just talking to me about how excited he was to do cleric epic, and how he needed to find a guild to do it with. I laughed at him and explained that his best bet was to pay for his epic because he wasn't getting it otherwise. Ya that's the Everquest i remember. Oh and before the reponse, let me save you some time: I am a newbie, loser, whiner, QQer, pussy, lazy POS who wants everything without working for it, never played endgame before anyways so shouldn't have an opinion, oh and I probably have slept with all my female relatives.

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by Harazzer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nice response bro. Do me a favor and look up reductive reasoning on the internet. FTE is fucking stupid, just like the title of this thread states. It makes raid mob engagements even more tied to rule lawyering and stupid bullshit than 15 on spawn did, and even that rule was not good.

do u even know what reductive reasoning means? yes, i'm guilty of trying to keep things simple. you think FTE is stupid? well i think rotations and 15 on a spawn is stupid. you clearly aren't involved in raid disputes, because you'd know that in the last couple months there have only been 3 situations where i was asked to check FTE. and only 2 of those situations resulted in staff having to remove items from one guild in order to give to the proper guild. as i have said a million times, FTE is not perfect, however, it is the best system in terms of what staff can verify, and what players can adhere to. when we have a better way of doing things, we will change the way they are done. until that time, this is a more than fair way of doing things (newsflash before you QQ at me, Fair does not mean Balanced).
Competition > Balance

Originally Posted by Harazzer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I realize being a GM on a server with so many awful people probably gives you a pretty jaded outlook but honestly, just because it is minimal effort on your part doesn't mean it is a good policy for the long term. Sad truth is this server is a big deal to a lot of people. I think some serious reform is needed in the amount of GM's, their general policies, and the rulesets as a whole that the server abides by. How many have quit due to these "works fine" rulings that have been used to screw people over so many times?

i realize that you think you know absolutely everything that's going on, and that you feel you could do a better job than every staff member, past, present, and future. but the sad truth is that without knowing what tools and restrictions that exist and are available on our end, you really have no grounds to simply assume things are the way they are because i only want "minimal effort" on my part (as u so rudely implied without any proof to such a claim). if you think the staff can make everybody happy, then you have never tried to please a large group of people. we do what we can to please the majority, and we feel this works for the majority.

Originally Posted by Xanthias [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

but Sirken... Common sense ain't common, it's an ultra rare drop

touche

[Tanthallas]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

we do what we can to please the majority, and we feel this works for the majority.

You must have a strange definition of majority. The MAJORITY of the server does not even get to see end game content because shit dies within five minutes of its spawn.

[Frieza_Prexus]

[HIJACK] FTE shouts/reset shout would still be incredibly convenient. You can get around the whole notion of abusing it by simply giving it NO authoritative weight whatsoever.

It'd simply be an informational mechanism and best case scenario, it helps the players solve their own problems. Worst case, the players still petition the same way they would have otherwise.

[/HIJACK]

[Harazzer]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

do u even know what reductive reasoning means? yes, i'm guilty of trying to keep things simple. you think FTE is stupid? well i think rotations and 15 on a spawn is stupid. you clearly aren't involved in raid disputes, because you'd know that in the last couple months there have only been 3 situations where i was asked to check FTE. and only 2 of those situations resulted in staff having to remove items from one guild in order to give to the proper guild. as i have said a million times, FTE is not perfect, however, it is the best system in terms of what staff can verify, and what players can adhere to. when we have a better way of doing things, we will change the way they are done. until that time, this is a more than fair way of doing things (newsflash before you QQ at me, Fair does not mean Balanced).
Competition > Balance

Yea actually I know exactly what it means, which is why I used it in my post. When you make blanket statements like "only 3 FTE Disputes ever" the implication is that since there are so few, it must be a good rule. Choosing to jump to a simplistic conclusion based on limited data. When in fact, since apparently this has to be spelled out, there are no more FTE petitions because no one else on the server wants to reduce themselves to the shitbag level of TMO. It may be the easiest solution, and yes, I do mostly believe this was chosen because of its high level of simplicity to the server staff as well as irrefutable "absolute" solution to any situation. That does not make it a good solution.

i realize that you think you know absolutely everything that's going on, and that you feel you could do a better job than every staff member, past, present, and future. but the sad truth is that without knowing what tools and restrictions that exist and are available on our end, you really have no grounds to simply assume things are the way they are because i only want "minimal effort" on my part (as u so rudely implied without any proof to such a claim). if you think the staff can make everybody happy, then you have never tried to please a large group of people. we do what we can to please the majority, and we feel this works for the majority.

I never said I know better than everyone, but your implication that I know nothing and you have already had every possible idea that I could ever have and dismiss me out of hand. All anyone not TMO in this thread has said is that FTE sucks, and every response you have is full of seething condescension and self-importance, like how dare these plebs question me?! Frankly I know you are an unpaid customer service rep.. but you do know that ultimately all your "power" here is bestowed in effort to help the server and encourage its growth and success. I don't think you can fix all the problems, however, the entire "not-TMO" population of the server thinks there needs to be some reform, and the staff and TMO forumtards are the only ones that argue against it. India, whoever the fuck that is, in a few responses here kinda implied that the "majority" was only applicable to "the raiding majority" in that case you could posture that TMO is like 90% of "the majority" and hence, this solution is a great one since they are fat happy loot babies. But by everyone else's standards it blows.

Honestly if you are going to say that you have no interest in bringing something more equitable than the current rule set to the server than you might as well take the gloves off and open up training and everything else and let a true competition begin. Everyone talks a good game about competition, let guerilla tactics enter the fray so the underdogs at least have a fighting chance of leveling the playing field. TMO has created a situation that makes competition nearly impossible and is supported by a rule system that perpetuates their grip on power and a staff that tells anyone that even asks about changing it to go fuck themselves.