Where did WoW go right?

[Atmas]

Originally Posted by square [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I did say I appreciated your post you know. The fact you are overly sensitive on the internet is not my fault. Also, look up non-opinionated and reread your initial post I responded to.

People like hatediny started a debate, and quickly ran from the debate. Whether you found my posts rude or not, call me a jerk, but at least respond to the things I've wrote. Here's my favorite that no one has answered: Why do you need to defend EQ on a classic EQ forum?

I don't see the need to sugar coat my posts, because you shouldn't take offense to what I say, as I promise you I'm not truly trying to offend you. I break up posts in quote form, and address the points, yet no one seems to do the same thing, they only call me names and say I'm a jerk, well I guess that means I'm right and rude. I'll take that.

Lets see:
Don't always have the time to break up posts. Your breaking up posts doesn't always mean you are answering each point.

People may not answer some of your questions because they are distracted by your tone. If you really want answers maybe less negative conotation. Or direct them to someone. One might ask why you feel the need to defend WoW on an EQ forum? Anyone can say something nasty and have no basis for an argument so it is generally a tool used in that capacity.

I really don't think anyone who has played any online game for more than a week could be overly sensitive to be honest.

Yes my post had opinion about which was more difficult but not about which game was better.

[lawll]

Originally Posted by Atmas [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have always said I thought WoW was way more polished than EQ or any other MMO I have played when it was released.

Have you seen that crap that has been released since WoW went live?! Nothing has been as polished as wow from release till now. No one even puts up the amount of effort that blizzard does into MMOs anymore.

[Atmas]

Originally Posted by square [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Some of you guys have the worst analogies I swear lol

Your opinion seems to be fluctuating a bit, and you still haven't really addressed anything I've brought up, but ok.

If my analogy doesn't make sense or you think my opinion is in flux maybe it is because you keep arguing with me about something I didn't say.

My analagoy is in reference to me giving a fact (or at least not highly debated subject, such as EQ contains timesinks) and you then infering I have an opinion on wether or not that is a good thing.

[fadetree]

If you really want to communicate effectively, stop being rude. Your arguments, however effective, will not get proper traction with others if you are consistently rude. Now, if all you want is to consider yourself right, then that's fine. If you want others to agree with you, you'll do much better if you aren't rude. It may be that you think the 'facts' are all that are needed, but sadly its just not true.

You are now free to say something dismissive and probably rude about my post. Happily, I don't care.

[Atmas]

Originally Posted by lawll [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Have you seen that crap that has been released since WoW went live?! Nothing has been as polished as wow from release till now. No one even puts up the amount of effort that blizzard does into MMOs anymore.

Sorry to clarify, I was not saying at the time of WoW's release rather, when any game was released. So yes, I agree.

[Dirtnap]

Originally Posted by square [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I also though you were done here? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I always love these. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I meant I wasn't going to continue discussing this. It has turned into an "I'm right because you can't tell me anything to change my mind." argument.

I'm just trying to add a little more clarity to some of the points raised, that I was trying to get across.

EDIT: You judge other people's opinions as uneducated, when you have no idea if it is actually educated or not.

[Atmas]

Originally Posted by square [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You basically said timesinks are difficult, I pointed you to another thread about that, and said I don't understand why you feel they are difficult. You didn't respond. I never claimed WoW or EQ was better.

I did respond, to summarize what I said: Timesinks are not more complex. They make things more difficult to be accomplished. I also included a short descripition of difficulty if had read my post. You tried to criticize me for saying I was one of several people saying WoW was dumb for being EZ mode, which I never said.

Originally Posted by square [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't care what people think about me on the internet. I don't care who agrees with me. Feel free to read some of the responses I received from people, which were far more insulting and rude than mine.

Also, what is more important than facts? That's like saying why bother with science and studies when we can just guess. Good debates include facts, this debate however is too heavily focused on opinion, mostly uneducated opinions, and that's the problem.

You also cared enough to speak directly to me, happily. You could of easily sent me a PM instead of adding another sensitive post here which has nothing to do with either of the topics.

You obviously care about people staying on topic. Also don't you see the hypocrisy in saying, what is more important than the facts then throwing in all your random crap? I don't poke fun at your lack of reading comprehension or projectionism issues.

[Atmas]

Originally Posted by bluntfang [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you say you're intelligent enough to discern the difference between a fact phrased as an opinion and an opinion, yet you still post here telling people that they are making opinions and not stating fact? What exactly is your purpose in this thread if not a poor attempt at trolling?

Actually if you go back I made a post on the intial topic have you?

[lawll]

Originally Posted by Atmas [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Timesinks are not more complex. They make things more difficult to be accomplished. I also included a short descripition of difficulty if had read my post. You tried to criticize me for saying I was one of several people saying WoW was dumb for being EZ mode, which I never said.

I still don't see how a eq timesink makes things more difficult. Do you really learn more about your class from camping mobs for exp in the same spot for hours casting the same sequence of spells or running a 5 man dungeon crawl fighting bosses with raid like ability's? Also right off the bat witch sounds more difficult?

[Atmas]

Originally Posted by square [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Then why are you still participating in the discussion...?

They are uneducated, I've sent PMs and asked for links to people's WoW characters, provided my own, and have had no responses. Put up or shut up.



I care about people staying on topic, because otherwise it's just a straight flame-war and doesn't belong on the server chat forum. I'm at least trying to stay on the line (hovering) of the forum rules.

I ASKED what was more important than facts, it was a question, I'm truly not sure what he meant.

Also feel free to poke at my reading comprehension (you can't comprehend the post title). I've spoken directly to quotes, and I'm sorry that this is text on a screen with tons of random hate and uneducated opinions, so I can't perfectly understand everything everyone means. Your posts are a mess as it is. Honestly, if it was verbal/in person it would be far easier to comprehend opinions/feelings too, wouldn't it smart guy?

I'm also not sure that projectionism is a word, but I think I get what you're saying. Technically you could throw projection at every single poster in this topic, including yourself.

If you have a problem with me directly, take it to PMs, this topic is already cluttered with sensitive cry-baby posts as it is. If you don't like me, use ignore or just don't read my posts, boom problem solved.

The last line was really just to see you make a big "sensitive" post.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

I don't really have a problem with you but your posts are often pointlessly convoluted with your manafactured game histories for people.

Obviously I can comprehend the title if you had read my first post (not the first post on the subject you changed).

Lastly, the hate isn't random when you put in inflamatory remarks. Don't like the direction things are going in? Don't drive it there.