PvP exp loss

[bamzal]

Originally Posted by Tr0llb0rn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah that Tehruoh that you had the nerve to screenshot nekid kill shots on, he killed trades yesterday.

P.S. constantly spamming screenshots (and even taking them/saving them) shows a ton of insecurity. You'd think someone as awsome as you would of slain-the-dragon (or anything else) at least once in the last 10 months.

But im sure you are about to turn it around for Kunark right? See you on the battlefield [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Actually that slideshow was funny as hell. Lets see yours

[SamwiseBanned]

xp worked for sullon, its makes people less likely to kamakaze like this is Quake III. how about people just play better or not go into fights that you have no chance at winning. I guess it would be cool for a free translocate to your bind point by having someone kill you for no xp loss :P Seriously though if you take this out then running around with a naked bard might be fun seeing as how I can throw myself into the middle of 40 Nilly and respawn ready to go again with no xp loss.

Maybe you could increase the time allowed for a rez upon pvp death. This would allow a person who has died to have plenty of time to CR and rez. I cant remember the rez timer but I know its short. What do you guys think about increasing the timer?

[Tr0llb0rn]

Originally Posted by SamwiseBanned [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

xp worked for sullon, its makes people less likely to kamakaze like this is Quake III. how about people just play better or not go into fights that you have no chance at winning. I guess it would be cool for a free translocate to your bind point by having someone kill you for no xp loss :P Seriously though if you take this out then running around with a naked bard might be fun seeing as how I can throw myself into the middle of 40 Nilly and respawn ready to go again with no xp loss.

exactly, this is my whole point.

I guess its a difference between the counterstrike w/ elves crowd and the EQ w/ red option crowd.

Throwing yourself into unwinnable situations (like tradesonred wanting to spend the night throwing 5 players at a 30 person raid over and over, or naked bards throwing themselves at xp groups over and over again) is called griefing, and it should have a price.

[heartbrand]

Lol you just proved my point yet again. 1-20-2012 you're in Uprising. Post holocaust ban, post the formative months of the server which you claim to be an expert about but weren't present for (at the raids), and here you are still grinding away, not 50 yet, still a non-factor. Beautiful =)

[Dullah]

Screenshot shows me out of the guild as of 1-20 ("You are no longer a member of Uprising") yet somehow miraculously you have screenshots of me on 1-21 in Uprising...

Lies never cease...

[Akim]

Um. Keep it.
There needs to be incentive not to die.
Very simple concept, idk how you're all missing it.

[Znif]

i like it for now, but like others have said, ill probably hate it in kunark

[Lazortag]

Originally Posted by Akim [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Um. Keep it.
There needs to be incentive not to die.
Very simple concept, idk how you're all missing it.

An incentive not to die.. like this?:

... you already lose all mana, get ported to your bindpoint, lose all coin, lose your camp, and (most of the time) get shamed publicly in ooc

[Tr0llb0rn]

Originally Posted by Lazortag [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

An incentive not to die.. like this?:

None of those work for the bard bound at TD fire pots. Or come to think of it, the DE SK bound at TD firepots too who does nothing but HT the half of the server who is bound there with him over and over again.........

Yes, indeed we must keep the xp loss in, its the only insurance vs. that level of grief. Every class must have a price to pay.

I know you say we should not form policy around "rare" circumstances. But then who would of thought Lethdar would bind next to CT in plane of fear and spend night after night chain triggering the CT deathtouch script either?

[Lazortag]

Originally Posted by Tr0llb0rn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

None of those work for the bard bound at TD fire pots. Or come to think of it, the DE SK bound at TD firepots too who does nothing but HT the half of the server who is bound there with him over and over again.........

Yes, indeed we must keep the xp loss in, its the only insurance vs. that level of grief. Every class must have a price to pay.

I know you say we should not form policy around "rare" circumstances. But then who would of thought Lethdar would bind next to CT in plane of fear and spend night after night chain triggering the CT deathtouch script either?

I responded to the Bard bound in TD situation already, and you just ignored my post. It's not just that it's a rare situation, it's that pvp exp loss doesn't actually fix the problem in that scenario. One bard played well should ruin a wizard's quadding experience whether they're bound in TD or not. They probably wouldn't even die once unless the wizard was armed to the teeth with conflag wands; if they did die, it wouldn't be enough that exp loss would deter them. It's just a bad argument.

I could say the same about the dark elf SK with ring of the dead. It's also one class/race combination and I'm not too concerned about it because so far no one has tried using the ring for this purpose, either here or on Live (on RZ they could have done the same thing naked - HTing someone over and over from their bind point - and without exp loss this still didn't happen). Like I said before, you can hyperbolize and invent farfetched scenarios where pvp exp loss is good, but in the majority of situations it will be bad.