If a new p99 server opened with forced raid target rotations would you switch?

[Splorf22]

Once again, there are two types of people on this server.

Group A is here to simply see most of the content that they never got to see on Live. I'd say this is about 80% of the playerbase, mostly in guilds like Acyrid, Divinity, and quite a bit of BDA. Probably over half of VD was like this.

Group B is here to have better equipment, be 'uber', and 'dominate' the server. I'd say this is about 20% of the playerbase, with most of them in TMO, or ex IB, but there are some in BDA. VD certainly had a core that thought this way, for example Botnet.

But here is the rub: it is physically impossible to satisfy both groups. Group B's enjoyment of the game depends on being better and otherwise outplaying Group A. Meanwhile everyone in group A (the vast majority of the server) would simply cheer if everyone in B left because they would finally be able to actually see some content without having to go nuts tracking/batphoning etc. Obviously it would take years to gear up all these casuals, but most wouldn't care.

And this leads us to the final point: Currently the raid rules on the server favor Group B 100%. A group of players who batphone/poopsock/track/train etc can totally deny Group A from seeing any content or getting any items at all. So all these proposals are simply Group A trying to change the raid rules. A fixed rotation obviously is a set of raid rules that 100% favor group A. The willingness of TMO players to play 4x as much per day is irrelevant, and they get exactly the same gear. And this is why you guys are all raging at the thought of a rotation.

Which is why we need linked respawns, which are a balance between A and B. B gets a bit more than their fair share of of raid items owing to their great experience/gear/whatever, but A isn't totally denied seeing the content like it is now. This is what I have been ranting about for months now on these boards, and with a little luck Nilbog and Rogean are going to implement it based on what I have seen. Which makes me actually want to play in the raid scene a bit.

/thread except for sperglord a/b terminology imo

[mwatt]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Once again, there are two types of people on this server.

Group A is here to simply see most of the content that they never got to see on Live. I'd say this is about 80% of the playerbase, mostly in guilds like Acyrid, Divinity, and quite a bit of BDA. Probably over half of VD was like this.

Group B is here to have better equipment, be 'uber', and 'dominate' the server. I'd say this is about 20% of the playerbase, with most of them in TMO, or ex IB, but there are some in BDA. VD certainly had a core that thought this way, for example Botnet.

But here is the rub: it is physically impossible to satisfy both groups. Group B's enjoyment of the game depends on being better and otherwise outplaying Group A. Meanwhile everyone in group A (the vast majority of the server) would simply cheer if everyone in B left because they would finally be able to actually see some content without having to go nuts tracking/batphoning etc. Obviously it would take years to gear up all these casuals, but most wouldn't care.

And this leads us to the final point: Currently the raid rules on the server favor Group B 100%. A group of players who batphone/poopsock/track/train etc can totally deny Group A from seeing any content or getting any items at all. So all these proposals are simply Group A trying to change the raid rules. A fixed rotation obviously is a set of raid rules that 100% favor group A. The willingness of TMO players to play 4x as much per day is irrelevant, and they get exactly the same gear. And this is why you guys are all raging at the thought of a rotation.

Which is why we need linked respawns, which are a balance between A and B. B gets a bit more than their fair share of of raid items owing to their great experience/gear/whatever, but A isn't totally denied seeing the content like it is now. This is what I have been ranting about for months now on these boards, and with a little luck Nilbog and Rogean are going to implement it based on what I have seen. Which makes me actually want to play in the raid scene a bit.

/thread except for sperglord a/b terminology imo

Nice post. Thoughtful and coherent. I'm not sure I agree with your final point however. On the other hand, I'm not completely sure I don't either. It is not clear to me what "linked spawns" means. It is also a revelation to me that Nil and Rog would consider something like this - whatever it is.

[Tasslehofp99]

Just having "fake" patch days where the server reset and it was a full repop and changing the variance to be shorter on mobs as well would make a huge difference, I think. Some other good suggestions were the "FTE zone wide shout" or whatever. A rotation would never work although it seemed to for ragefire so who knows maybe, but they would likely dissolve very quickley and result in more drama. Just give the smaller guilds a fair shot and I bet you will see a lot less of these posts.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just having "fake" patch days where the server reset and it was a full repop and changing the variance to be shorter on mobs as well would make a huge difference, I think. Some other good suggestions were the "FTE zone wide shout" or whatever. A rotation would never work although it seemed to for ragefire so who knows maybe, but they would likely dissolve very quickley and result in more drama. Just give the smaller guilds a fair shot and I bet you will see a lot less of these posts.

ragefire was a very fast respawn which helped greatly.

[Danyelle]

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A rotation would never work although it seemed to for ragefire so who knows maybe, but they would likely dissolve very quickley and result in more drama. Just give the smaller guilds a fair shot and I bet you will see a lot less of these posts.

Rotations aren't intended to be permanent anyway. It has been, and always will be, in effect only so long as the guilds that partake in it are in agreement. It's a form of diplomacy between guilds and a method of making content more fair for other players who cannot devote their time to Everquest, not a server feature enforced by GMs.

[somnia]

Has there been a thread in the recent future that hasn't been about TMO ruining everybody's fun? /sarcasm off

What's wrong with 2 servers? One hardcore server, one casual server. Oh no, cry the population will be split and the world will be empty. News flash, the world is already empty and top heavy to boot.

TMO doesn't want 2 servers because their entire fun stems from demonstrating to other people that they possess this thing called "skill" which, when decomposed to its comprising parts, equates to time spent organizing, tracking, and having dedicated members from all time zones who will answer the batphone.

In all honesty a 2nd server with a casual ruleset would increases game enjoyment for the vast majority of players on the P1999. The only people who would really lose with a 2nd server is TMO because they can't demonstrating this thing they call "skill" to the "newbs".

Why are these forums so damn entertaining.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by somnia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Has there been a thread in the recent future that hasn't been about TMO ruining everybody's fun? /sarcasm off

What's wrong with 2 servers? One hardcore server, one casual server. Oh no, cry the population will be split and the world will be empty. News flash, the world is already empty and top heavy to boot.

TMO doesn't want 2 servers because their entire fun stems from demonstrating to other people that they possess this thing called "skill" which, when decomposed to its comprising parts, equates to time spent organizing, tracking, and having dedicated members from all time zones who will answer the batphone.

In all honesty a 2nd server with a casual ruleset would increases game enjoyment for the vast majority of players on the P1999. The only people who would really lose with a 2nd server is TMO because they can't demonstrating this thing they call "skill" to the "newbs".

Why are these forums so damn entertaining.

GMs don't want a 3rd server that involves more of their time. Staff are all in TMO, so I guess you're kinda correct.

[inyane]

I think the only server that would be in danger of a very low population would be the current blue99.

I would be willing to bet that new carebear99 would be full of people. I'd drop my level 60 with epic here in a heartbeat to start over on the new server. And I know many others would as well.

Just a chance to dump a server with all the duped and exploited plat and items would be fantastic.

I would assume the goal of the dev team is to not only recreate classic everquest, but I would also assume they would like the players who are here to have fun and enjoy themselves, yes? It would appear to me that a large majority of the server would like to be casual, yet still experience the game. The whole game, not just the game TMO lets us see.

Yet all TMO has to say to this majority of players is...tough. Too bad. Compete. Cry more. Put in the time.

And the rest of us are saying...I don't want to wake up at 3am. I don't want to poopsock my night away. I do not with to "compete" when this is the definition of competing.

[formallydickman]

If Jesus came back as a reptilian biped, would you still worship him?? << As likely as a reset/new p99 server.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by inyane [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And the rest of us are saying...I don't want to wake up at 3am. I don't want to poopsock my night away. I do not with to "compete" when this is the definition of competing.

luckily for you, you don't have to.

Aren't you happy?