How are Bards in the DPS department?

[falkun]

IDK, four bards holding off LBs at ~25% resist rate sounds about right to cover everything. 8casts/tick (4 bards at 3sec/cast and 6sec/tick) should be able to cover even when resists are at a floating 25% (green) to 50% (white) resist rate when some are green, most are LB, and a few are dark blue.

[pickled_heretic]

assuming LB's resist at 25%. I don't know franswa, you're the expert here. Do LB's resist at 25%? You tell us.

Anyway, there are going to be DBs in that stack, and there's going to be quite a few of them, including lvl 55's if they're pulling VS guardians, and with a 50% resist rate they would chew those bards up for a snack.

Bards do the same thing in hate/fear when gods pop, which should be suicidal normally.

[falkun]

The quote you provided says the 50% resist rate is for even con mobs, which would not be encountered by a L60 in Karnors. So the maximum resist rate would be less than 50%. Also, you only need 1 landed mez per tick for the mob to be mezzed for another tick round. At 8 chances per tick (math provided in previous post), with a 50% (more than theoretical max) chance of failure, you still only have a 0.5**8 = 0.5^8 = 0.390625% chance of the mob not being mezzed at least once per tick. Why is it still surprising to you that multiple bards can keep karnors locked down?

[Nizzarr]

Actually,the second check is based on the level of the mobs, nothing else pretty much matters.

lvl 50 mobs should resist that check about 75%-90% of the time, just saying.

[pickled_heretic]

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The quote you provided says the 50% resist rate is for even con mobs

You didn't read very well.

Verant claims that low greens should make their secondary resist rolls about 35% of the time, and that even cons should make it about 50% of the time. Actual logs suggest that in practice all mobs make the roll at least 50% of the time, and even cons or higher make it rather more often than that.

[Nizzarr]

fact is, I`ve never seen any bards using this on live and if they did they probably got kicked out of the group for getting everyone killed.

It's way broken here.

I'm also tired of seeing bards being godlike CC'ers in situations where a whole raid should be wiping. They make it EZ mode for some zerg-a-like newbie guilds.

[Gmal]

Originally Posted by Szeth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also calling shenanigans on 135 dps without a parse. I'm pretty sure Gmal is just trolling in any case. Especially since he said "most" monks with sky fists, and there aren't any monks w/ sky fists doing 135 dps.(without innerflame over an 18 second period)

Been parsed at 135 to 150 dps spike dmg in groups in berzerker form and dual Wurmslayers many of times. Anytime when we got some free time and arnt poopsocking each other. Id be happy to out dps ya. The fights vary it can go from 40 dps to as high as 150 spikes but a majority of my fights in berzerker shaman buffed with chanter haste I can sustain 80 to 135 dps no problem. bring your plat to the table I got 5k on it.

I am sure there are other warriors out there that concure to these figures. Kelendil and myself did extensive tit for tats going through the parses.

If Im crippling for average 300s and spiking in the 500 dmg range 1 out of 15 swings and sometimes double crits you do the math.

[Snaggles]

I still don't think you've grouped with any decent geared monks or rogues.

Dual-wurms isn't exactly something to beat your chest about. You know at lvl 60 for the primary it isn't any better than a Jade Mace for damage, right? It is gravy for offhand though. If you like huge streaky numbers that combo is full of win.

Not trying to start a pissing contest. It's just math and damage bonus x time.

[Gmal]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I still don't think you've grouped with any decent geared monks or rogues.

Dual-wurms isn't exactly something to beat your chest about. You know at lvl 60 for the primary it isn't any better than a Jade Mace for damage, right? It is gravy for offhand though. If you like huge streaky numbers that combo is full of win.

Not trying to start a pissing contest. It's just math and damage bonus x time.

I am one of the MT's for TMO Ive grouped with the best. I am not saying out dps them consistantly but I can spike higher then some of them at times.

Warrior berzerkering Wurmslayers are the best in game that is offered for this. We go for huge hits with the cripples. jade mace cant even compare. You want hard hitting weapons for berzerker dps. I am also not speaking in terms of raid encounters but normal zone mobs. This is without me tanking and being on the backside of the mob.

[Snaggles]

Sigh, forget it. Back to a topic only slightly less dumb...

Bard Melee Dps.