Egg-shaped pumice, chipped bone rod.

[Vohl]

I'd invite GMs to host some duels between PCs of various classes both with and without either variety of pumice to get an objective feel for how this affects PvP balance. My own belief is that it makes the PvP game far more level, and therefore fun, for PCs without mana bars and channeling skill. PCs who use blue kool aid can still nuke, debuff and DoT using poison and disease effects. The primary use of this item is 1) Stripping off root and snare effects that completely screw over melee classes; and 2) Stripping off SoW, allowing melee characters to actually close and attack.

Casters can still re-buff SoW, use jboots, etc. to renew movement buffs, as well as spam low level root and snare spells. They simply won't lead to an easy win as they currently do against melee classes.

Also keep in mind that resist gear and weapons available in Kunark will never be available on red99. Fungi and T-Staff and Epic PvP tactics will never enter play.

[georgie]

Originally Posted by lethdar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Egg shaped has no cast time, meaning you can spam it over and over to remove all of a players buffs and there's nothing they can do about it. See a bard outdoors? Remove all his buffs then click it once every 3 seconds when selos refreshes and melee him down. Pretty awesome when rogues who know what they're doing will kick the ass of bards in outdoor zones amirite? Very popular with brain dead morons.

Crystalized has a 3 second cast time. This still gives you the option of dispelling dots on yourself and allows you to dispell players, but is somewhat counterable should you go through the effort of getting instant cast junk buffs. There's also several more complexities that are added in via pumice/buff management and intelligent play that stems from using these that rewards good players and punishes bad ones (Lachius, Darksinga).

isn't there a golem wand or some shit that does the same

[lethdar]

Originally Posted by Vohl [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'd invite GMs to host some duels between PCs of various classes both with and without either variety of pumice to get an objective feel for how this affects PvP balance. My own belief is that it makes the PvP game far more level, and therefore fun, for PCs without mana bars and channeling skill. PCs who use blue kool aid can still nuke, debuff and DoT using poison and disease effects. The primary use of this item is 1) Stripping off root and snare effects that completely screw over melee classes; and 2) Stripping off SoW, allowing melee characters to actually close and attack.

Casters can still re-buff SoW, use jboots, etc. to renew movement buffs, as well as spam low level root and snare spells. They simply won't lead to an easy win as they currently do against melee classes.

Also keep in mind that resist gear and weapons available in Kunark will never be available on red99. Fungi and T-Staff and Epic PvP tactics will never enter play.

This poster has never played everquest on a pvp server. This little thing called resist gear is what allows melee to close and attack, you're not suppose to wear your pve gear in pvp bro.

ps, stop making the erroneous assumption that melee are gimped on classic pvp servers. Melee >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Casters for group fights, guild fights, and even solo even at max preplanar gear. Shit man, look at vztz where MR based CC spells landed at a much higher rate than they will here. Despite all the bitching by mippo, wehrmacht, etc, guess what guilds won fights for vox, naggy, etc. It wasn't the guild of druids and mages, it was the melee heavy rape trains in resist gear (just like on live).

Your arguments involving melee needing instant pumice or only applicable towards people who are:

a) retards that refuse to bank their hero bracers because they think ac is more important that 7mr (insert x piece of pve gear for y piece of resist gear).

b) retards that think because at early levels pure melee have a rough time fighting casters with CC they should allow items in that completely break pvp

c) and retards like lachius who know that they only way they can compete is by100% stripping off opponents buffs so that they can hope for a 1 shot lavabolt kill or a double attack and harm touch.

[lethdar]

Originally Posted by Darksinga [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1. If you have 1000s of plat at level 10, GMs should have you under the radar.

5. Pet's aren't a problem at high end, but considering it will take the average player at least a month to get 50, we're obviously not talking about high end.

6. I was stating that IF it was ONE charge then you'd have to use strategy in determining when you want to blow your pell. For instance, if you get heat blooded and cast pell on yourself, your gonna get hit with a few more dots immediately after and won't have dispell.

7. If you actually read you'd see that I said make it one charge/lore, how will they spam pell on me?

1) Everquest isn't hard, im sorry you think it is, platinum is easy to farm on p99.

5) Instill doubt, intimidate, blind, root, snare, fear, farming resist gear to the point of ignoring them, etc etc etc. Pets are trash, breaking pvp because lvl 20 naked pure melee have a hard time against a root pet? Good logic.

6) Won't have dispell... because crystalized pumice vanishes?

7) Congratulations on agreeing with me that egg shaped is OP btw, though I am again stunned at your arrogance in thinking that GM's should introduce a completely custom item that has no history in everquest and is also easy to abuse rather than just eliminate the problem.

[tmoneynegro]

Originally Posted by lethdar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Shit man, look at vztz where MR based CC spells landed at a much higher rate than they will here. Despite all the bitching by mippo, wehrmacht, etc, guess what guilds won fights for vox, naggy, etc. It wasn't the guild of druids and mages, it was the melee heavy rape trains in resist gear (just like on live).

Many people such as myself don't want to play on a "forced grouping" server that rewards anyone walking around in a group attacking solo players with free kills. This is what happens when you let MR spells land with ease.

Your example above is a poor example of game balance because you're talking about fighting in shoebox size battlefields like the entrance of permafrost or tiny halls in SolB. If casters were actually good in that situation, they would probably be extremely overpowered in all other situations.

If you fight some place like fear or dreadlands, you'll be chasing around levitating casters for hours and never kill them. Balancing the game around where specific pieces of loot are just doesn't work.

[SoulLeech]

Hilarious thread.

All these bullshit propped up arguments and boasts of balance, skill, tactics and what was or wasn't intended as if EQ PVP was some thoughtful, finely tuned, precision shit to be proud of and not a damn "Friendly Fire: ON" flag in a PVE game.

Fact is, just about every damn thing anyone considers skillful about EQ PVP is just an exploitation of or another broken aspect of the game.

The argument divides along the lines of whichever set of nonsense one group or another is most comfortable exploiting and few have the objectivity to admit that.

[Sorath]

there are evil forces at work in this thread....

[dogbarf]

Mods should ban anyone who thinks Eggshape pumice, Fear, or charm should be usable in pvp. These people are either trolling or full retard.

[Zalaerian]

raid buffed, and go around ganking fools 6v2.

I also plan having full shaman alch buffs good sir.

If you guys even think for a second that casters will be able to compete at 50 in any form of group PvP just shows how clueless and ignorant you are to the melee assist rape train.

If you fight some place like fear or dreadlands, you'll be chasing around levitating casters for hours and never kill them. Balancing the game around where specific pieces of loot are just doesn't work.

1) Like our melee wont be lev'd + targets getting spam dispelled. 2) Outside a rare channel that a wiz gets off, caster damage is a joke.

[Envious]

Originally Posted by SoulLeech

Hilarious thread.

All these bullshit propped up arguments and boasts of balance, skill, tactics and what was or wasn't intended as if EQ PVP was some thoughtful, finely tuned, precision shit to be proud of and not a damn "Friendly Fire: ON" flag in a PVE game.

Fact is, just about every damn thing anyone considers skillful about EQ PVP is just an exploitation of or another broken aspect of the game.

The argument divides along the lines of whichever set of nonsense one group or another is most comfortable exploiting and few are have the objectivity to admit that.