More proof that server is going to hell

[h0tr0d (shaere)]

I take it further Nalkin. It doesn't matter if the developer is guild leader or guild member. They could still abuse information and it just comes down to whether or not they can be trusted. Heck they could not even play a character here and the end result would be the same. What I read into it is the same as always.


Warden Samuel Norton: I have to say that's the most amazing story I've ever heard. What amazes me most is that you were taken in by it.
Andy Dufresne: Sir?
Warden Samuel Norton: It's obvious this fellow Williams is impressed with you, he hears your tale of woe and naturally wants to cheer you up. He's young, not terribly bright, it's not surprising he wouldn't know what a state he put you in.
Andy Dufresne: Sir, he's telling the truth.
Warden Samuel Norton: Let's say for the moment this Blatch does exist. You think he'd just fall to his knees and cry: "Yes, I did it, I confess! Oh, and by the way, add a life term to my sentence."
Andy Dufresne: You know that wouldn't matter. With Tommy's testimony I can get a new trial.
Warden Samuel Norton: That's assuming Blatch is still there. Chances are excellent he'd be released by now.
Andy Dufresne: Well they'd have his last known address, names of relatives. It's a *chance*, isn't it.
[Norton shakes his head]
Andy Dufresne: How can you be so obtuse?
Warden Samuel Norton: What? What did you call me?
Andy Dufresne: Obtuse. Is it deliberate?
Warden Samuel Norton: Son, you're forgetting yourself.
Andy Dufresne: The country club will have his old time cards. Records, W-2s with his name on them. Sir, if I ever get out, I'd never mention what happens here. I'd be just as indictable as you for laundering that money.
[Norton slaps the table]
Warden Samuel Norton: Don't you ever mention money to me again, you sorry son of a bitch! Not in this office, not anywhere!

Whether or Uthgaard is coarse or rubs his peers the wrong way or is insubordinate is a seperate issue and that is what seemed frustrating. Nilbog is right is a lot of what he said but it seemed to Uthgaard he was avoiding the real issue. I understand he looked at it and determined it was only circumstantial evidence existed but as Uthgaard says the only way to prove it is to find a record of Xzerion saying he did it or confessing now. The circumstances surrounding players on this server having access to information they shouldn't have is what matters. They cannot know they have an exact copy unless they have seen he original. Or someone that has tells them this. Is it just another coincidence? It almost seemed like amongst that double speak and sidetracking there was Uthgaard being told to take off his tin foil hat and I wish the meat of the matter was what was being dealt with. Guy doesn't 'develop' for a year but all of a sudden he is testing VP mobs as his raid guild has access to an exact copy of VP as well as him testing RoS mobs? Just another coincidence.

Just because someone says Xzerion is guilty does not make it so but on the other hand just because Uthgaard is insubordinate does not mean he is wrong. Perhaps one should look at the passion and how strongly he believes in what he is saying. If it looks like a duck, talks like a duck, and walks like a duck it is a fucking duck. If a known bank robber is casing a bank the week before it gets robbed is it just coincidence? One can say he was just looking into the best bank for his money but how weak does that sound? In real life it may not be enough to send him to jail but they certainly ask things like if they have motive. And if someone has the resources, is tied to the location, has the motive, has shown a history of a certain behavior, and their guild reaps the benefits repeatedly in game I'm not looking to send them to jail but it would be enough for me here. And at the very least it looks shady. All the things Xzerion does to remove himself from the in-game aspects to avoid such perceptions can seem transparent and hollow now. Coincidence about Vox lair, sky, and what else? The fact TR knew a month before I was flamed for exploiting the non-banishing of Nagafen when we stumbled upon it by happenstance? That they do sky encounters immediately after the encounters are changed? Or know what do in VoxLair as regards to pathing?

Spare me the talk about skill and dedication because as you talk about cheating here and the integrity of the server it appears there is much worse then macroquest and showeq involved. I don't question Nilbog or his integrity but I can honestly say Uthgaard's integrity was never in question also. Just his personal dealings with people is all. I think common sense needs to apply. Evidence is required for certain actions but this ain't the world court. What is TR going to know next before the rest of the server and use to stay on top?

Make me a fucking GM. I'll pass off guild leadership and bring these wankers into line.

[Glitch]

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[h0tr0d (shaere)]

Yendor just is wearing a tin foil hat. You can't take ALL of those situations and chalk it up to coincidence. The fact that they will continue to have these advantages is just proof it is only coincidence obviously. If there was something to it, we would know by now.

[yaaaflow]

If the entire server believes Nilbog and Rogean to be corrupt I don't see why they'd still be playing here.

Oh wait thats just the talk of a TMO propagandist at work never mind.

[purist]

Originally Posted by yaaaflow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the entire server believes Xzerion to be corrupt

FTFY

[inyane]

Originally Posted by yaaaflow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If the entire server believes Nilbog and Rogean to be corrupt I don't see why they'd still be playing here.

Oh wait thats just the talk of a TMO propagandist at work never mind.

Well, we'll all go play on that other classic server. Oh, wait, there is none.

So, even though the majority of players know the server is fucked, that TR gets special considerations, that cheating is widespread...we all just bow our heads and hope it doesn't affect us too much.

[yaaaflow]

Ok, starting with the assumption that Xzerion is corrupt then. Uthgaard gathers evidence proving this. Rogean and Nilbog look at this evidence and decide that Xzerion has not done anything wrong in this case because?

a) they're dumb
b) they're corrupt
c) they looked at the evidence provided by Uthgaard and came to the conclusion that Xzerion wasn't acting inappropriately.

I think we can rule out a) pretty easily.

b) or c)?

[Labyrrinth]

Originally Posted by yaaaflow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ok, starting with the assumption that Xzerion is corrupt then. Uthgaard gathers evidence proving this. Rogean and Nilbog look at this evidence and decide that Xzerion has not done anything wrong in this case because?

a) they're dumb
b) they're corrupt
c) they looked at the evidence provided by Uthgaard and came to the conclusion that Xzerion wasn't acting inappropriately.

I think we can rule out a) pretty easily.

b) or c)?

or perhaps

d) Xzerion provides just enough value that Rogean and Nilbog decide it's better to not look to closely at possible indiscresions, that way they don't have to boot him and find a replacement.

So not necessarily corrupt, but definitely a weighted view.

[Ring]

Originally Posted by Labyrrinth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

or perhaps

d) Xzerion provides just enough value that Rogean and Nilbog decide it's better to not look to closely at possible indiscresions, that way they don't have to boot him and find a replacement.

So not necessarily corrupt, but definitely a weighted view.

You know Uthgaard contributed more than Xzerion ever did. If we follow your reasoning wouldn't they try to placate Uthgaard??????????????

I want to see whatever you have on TR, Uthgaard. This situation is already a mess, there's no reason to hold back. If TR / Xzerion is as guilty as you say, let's see it.

[Skope]

Originally Posted by Labyrrinth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

or perhaps

d) Xzerion provides just enough value that Rogean and Nilbog decide it's better to not look to closely at possible indiscresions, that way they don't have to boot him and find a replacement.

So not necessarily corrupt, but definitely a weighted view.

it isn't the first time they've looked away and totally fucked it up. If any of you date back to last year's database compromise and how a couple guilds were showing up to spawns literally right before the mobs popped you'd also remember that only 8 people were banned and though the names were never given, the guilds that took advantage were never punished whatsoever. let's say that pill was difficult to swallow, especially when you've spent countless hours tracking (apparently something that 365 dumbasses refused to do) only to have a guild gather up outside and start clearing with just enough time for it to spawn "randomly."

Now 365 accounts are given a welcome mat after what can only be considered a stern talking to and players like myself, and the majority of the legit playerbase is asked to swallow that pill yet again. honestly, the both of them have to be absolutely fucking retarded to think that stripping the bank of plat and losing a few levels is somehow a just punishment. with that .dll they had opportunity to clean the server of 365 accounts who took advantage for who knows how long to gain an edge over the rest of us who decided to, and obviously quite wrongly, play fair. they could have not only said that this server is free but it also has fewer cheaters than fippy. But no, they fucked it up and balked.

I played here under the notion that the few hours i have a week i can spend here knowing that, though i won't be wearing the leetest of pixels, i'll be having fun with some great folks and that at least the sandboxes rules will apply to all equally. I was a fool.

Whatever the talk of VP and xzerion is, frankly it doesn't matter. I can't stand the notion that a week from now those who got practically a free pass will come back and that the direction of the server from that judgment alone is along the lines of the shitheads of VZTZ. That's why i'm done here.