Poll: Should the Management have been harsher with the 365 cheaters?

[KB_Trader]

Originally Posted by Kope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

While I do partially agree people are going insane over this (calm down guys its ok, life will go on) this paragraph isn't thinking seriously KB.

Trackbots have been used for high level raid mobs for batphones for a long long time. I believe this is the thing they're talking about, and it does have some merit.

While I don't doubt that this was occuring at the end game, do you honestly think that this accounts for a large percentage of the people banned? How many trackbots does one guy need? Even if he has 8 of them(Trak, Sky, Hate, Fear, Sev, Fay, Gore, Tal) that's only equal to one account. I mean really it's a moot point anyway, because if you are using it for a trackbot then its more than likely on a seperate account which means the person probably didn't get banned and isn't being punished. 4 x 0 is still 0.

I'm fairly sure the average person banned from show eq wasn't using it for anything significant or game breaking.

[visage]

Originally Posted by Skope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

reading comprehension... that's not why i'm pointing the finger at uthgaard. 2 entirely separate situations that we're discussing. i'm talking about how uthgaard handles petitions and namely raid-involved petitions whereas you're discussing the action, or rather inaction towards cheaters. think by now it's obvious that the majority of the playerbase would rather have them banned outright, but as i said that has little to do with uthgaard. the other issue, though, is as far as i've heard and gathered, entirely up to him and he doesn't man up.

My bad. This is why I'm going to school =)

[superapan]

Originally Posted by druziil [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Everyone here knows what is right and wrong and also knows there are consequences.

People always know what is right and wrong. But up until now, there were no consequences for using MQ. It can't come as a complete surprise to you that (some) people don't adhere to rules that have no real practice?

Originally Posted by druziil

Also I don't apriciate the fact that the server will be legit because that fact is wrong. These hackers benefited by using those hacks more then they were hurt from the punishment so the net result is still in their favor. Unless that changes then this server can never be legit.

The fungis getting duped with MQ is nonsense. Most people use MQ, like back on live, to get access to the map. No fungis are made - it's not even remotely possible. And again, this server is now way more legit than EQ Live ever was and will be, and I assume you played happily there (ignorance is bliss?). I think that's awesome anyway.

[Seaweedpimp]

Originally Posted by KB_Trader [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

While I don't doubt that this was occuring at the end game, do you honestly think that this accounts for a large percentage of the people banned? How many trackbots does one guy need? Even if he has 8 of them(Trak, Sky, Hate, Fear, Sev, Fay, Gore, Tal) that's only equal to one account. I mean really it's a moot point anyway, because if you are using it for a trackbot then its more than likely on a seperate account which means the person probably didn't get banned and isn't being punished. 4 x 0 is still 0.

I'm fairly sure the average person banned from show eq wasn't using it for anything significant or game breaking.

See, i was hoping your app would make it, but.. We dont want to be banned from raiding for weeks because your dumb ass wants to check to see what the next frenzy is goona drop, arite?

[visage]

Originally Posted by KB_Trader [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Think a lot of you are drastically underestimating this whole xp loss thing. Going from 60 to a bit into 54 isn't a slap on the wrist - that's ATLEAST a good 60 hours of grinding if not more. That is also only the time spent actually xping, and if you're like me where atleast half of your play time is spent sitting LFG at the entrance to a zone, it's going to take a LOT longer. Now, for someone who plays like 10 hours a day, sure it's not a big deal, but for someone who played a few hours after work this is absolutely painful.

Also, lol at people saying things like "DELETE ALL DER SHOW EQ'D ITEMS." I can think of a handful of items that would be considered an easier camp with show eq and most of them are no drop. Anything besides those items is not any harder or easier with show eq.

That being said, sounds like some of you guys needed the ban more than I did. It's a fucking video game, guys. Jesus christ, some of you guys argue this shit like your life fucking depends on it. Go outside and touch a tit or something.

This is the best advice I herd all day. Please someone sticky.

[KB_Trader]

Originally Posted by inyane [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

right, its huge xp loss. I mean, it took some of these people at least a whole week to go from 50-60.

and i'm sure their guildies are just waiting to go aoe pl them in skyfire when they get back anyway, so....

There's nothing you can do to combat someone playing the game 12 hours a day or playing it in a way that is exponentially better than the way you play it (Within the rules of course!). Just because people play 12 hours a day and get 60 a lot faster than you do doesn't mean that it's any less time consuming to do. Those guys who went 50-60 in a week are still spending the base amount of time to do it that you are - they're just doing it over a shorter period of time.

[Humerox]

Originally Posted by Uthgaard [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This pretty much sums it up. If I punish the wrong person, it will just get overturned and possibly turned back around on me. If I hand over the information on the wrong person, no matter how solid it is, it will be insufficient to take action. I learned that with zianlo almost a year ago, and am constantly being reminded of it. I'm just a peon here. Don't call me the pussy, it's not like I'm not trying.

HAD you been in charge of dealing out punishments for all this, I'd warrant the outcome probably would have been different.

[KB_Trader]

Originally Posted by Seaweedpimp [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

See, i was hoping your app would make it, but.. We dont want to be banned from raiding for weeks because your dumb ass wants to check to see what the next frenzy is goona drop, arite?

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[Seaweedpimp]

Originally Posted by KB_Trader [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Lol this is no joke bro.

I really wanted your app to make it but dude, cmon.

[Skope]

Originally Posted by Uthgaard [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This pretty much sums it up. If I punish the wrong person, it will just get overturned and possibly turned back around on me. If I hand over the information on the wrong person, no matter how solid it is, it will be insufficient to take action. I learned that with zianlo almost a year ago, and am constantly being reminded of it. I'm just a peon here. Don't call me the pussy, it's not like I'm not trying.

then why the tough talk? i mean... ffs. i'm with klaatu and i hoped you'd back it up -- all of you. but you haven't and here we are... 350+ cheaters and you're "forced" to make a dumb fucking decision.

you guys (them. whatever) aren't even banning the cheaters but merely a slap on the wrist.

you claimed you didnt give 2 shits about the raid scene yet you'd respond to every petition no matter how stupid and yet would respond to the same crap next week and didn't learn that maybe they're all just dicks and they've been dicks and they'll continue to be dicks

Some of us knew that there would be a TON of bans and that cheating was absolutely a systemic problem across the entire server but many people (yourselves included) stuck your fingers in your ears and sang "la-la-la" p99 has bled a lot of good people b/c of poor decisions and the shitty raid scene and yet nothing was done and nothing is being done.