Discussion: PvP Deaths (Item/Coin/XP Loot/Gain)

[Tamiah2011]

Originally Posted by Arshis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Item Loot – Why not have it in for the first 7months or however long it was in for during Classic if you’re going to go for a classic feel leave it in for a short period. I remember being level 40 cleric with nothing but leather and tidbits of bronze on. It defiantly made for interesting gameplay dynamics when your main tanks wear garbage. Also note people didn’t bind rush like crazy until they removed the one item loot.

Coin – Leave it in.

XP Deaths - Leave it in, even when XP deaths were removed it just caused people to find clever ways to exp other players. Which in turn I think caused people to whine more when they took an exp death because they were rooted or jumped on while in the middle of an encounter.

I'm surprised there are so many sissies in this thread.

This Poster is right on!!! LIke it

[Bardalicious]

Originally Posted by Arshis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Item Loot – Why not have it in for the first 7months or however long it was in for during Classic if you’re going to go for a classic feel leave it in for a short period.

What server are you referring to? Because Rallos Zek had item loot all the way til sometime after LDoN, and was only taken out because of augments being able to make everything no drop.

I really believe people are over-exaggerating how negatively item loot will affect the server. It added quite a bit of fun to PVP when you could spend time working towards the goal of having a set of nodrop quest / obscure gear. Aside from the fact that you could bag your important pieces when you knew you would die, you could also pull off any +HP items to kill yourself as well.

You just had to learn the system and adapt to it, as is the case with any set of rules.

[vinx]

Originally Posted by Bardalicious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What server are you referring to? Because Rallos Zek had item loot all the way til sometime after LDoN, and was only taken out because of augments being able to make everything no drop.

Vallon and Tallon

[Pudge]

so many ppl against exp death... i liked exp death for the 1 reason that it would deter bind rushing. assuming bind rushing is legal, then it could make it a risk vs reward. right now, the way you bros are talking, no YT, no exp loss... what reason is there not to rush>?

No YT?
seriously.. no YT is dumb. if some crew is porting around making a name for themselves, well then.. they have! The rest of the server can make the decision as to whether these guys are douches and should be killed, or whether they are white knights, selecting their targets and cleaning out the scum.

i do however agree that YT on someone 8 levels below you is a little much; YT is a reward on its own, and perhaps only YT on those who are within 4 levels, or only YT if the person getting killed is 45+, is best.

Also something we are forgetting is strategic info. Even if you are in a guild v guild fight, and in vent, it's still helpful to see who is dying when, and where.

like searyx said, basically every pvp game announces when you kill someone.. and this doesnt make ppl stop playing them.

along with the YT, the ooc lets whoever got killed tell the server his side of the story, and the killer to tell his own.

[Kope]

Originally Posted by Pudge [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

along with the YT, the ooc lets whoever got killed tell the server his side of the story, and the killer to tell his own.

I'm not exactly sure where stories come into play. It's pvp, you die and get killed, it happens a lot. You're giving people a reason to act like asshats imo.

[Envious]

Originally Posted by Pudge [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No YT?
seriously.. no YT is dumb. if some crew is porting around making a name for themselves, well then.. they have! The rest of the server can make the decision as to whether these guys are douches and should be killed, or whether they are white knights, selecting their targets and cleaning out the scum.

You make a name for yourself by killing people, not having people see that you killed someone.

EQ PvP is not for facebook fags. There is no reason for YT broadcasts, save for ego stroking. For that, you can do as I previously suggested, take SS's and make collages like a good girl.

Refute my earlier arguments against it. In any real, logical, sense.

[Pudge]

Originally Posted by Envious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You make a name for yourself by killing people, not having people see that you killed someone.

EQ PvP is not for facebook fags. There is no reason for YT broadcasts, save for ego stroking. For that, you can do as I previously suggested, take SS's and make collages like a good girl.

Refute my earlier arguments against it. In any real, logical, sense.

hi envious, i assume you wanted a response to this post:

Originally Posted by Envious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hinders pvp: People run cause they dont want broadcast of their death, they zone plug, etc, etc... meanwhile you have a small group porting everywhere in game trying to get 1 more killshot to broadcast their name.

State a purpose it servers besides ego stroking? Cause honestly Searyx, who the in the fuck on this PvP forum needs a bigger ego? I know you and I dont. =P


In short, YT makes people scared of dying. IT does not make them want to fight more.

yellow text hinders pvp?
1) no one wants to die, whether it gets broadcast or not. Taking out YT will not make them decide to fight like idiots after they realize they're going to lose. Especially when they would lose EXP because of it. They will zone plug just as much.
2) "meanwhile you have a small group porting everywhere in game trying to get 1 more killshot" - i think you just refuted yourself there
3) purpose it serves besides ego stroking: lets everyone else on the server know where the action is going down. this information can be tactically important, as well as just plain fun. it can also increase pvp, because everybody loves to join a party!

4) Scared of dying? Of course ppl don't want their name on the wrong end of the YT. But this would only make me choose my fights more carefully, increasing the quality of my PvP, instead of promoting bind rushing and hollow shit talking.

Maybe there could be limits on the YT (as i mentioned before, 4 levels, or only after you're level 45, something like that) but don't take it out just because ppl might get a bruised ego. what bruises egos the most is OOC. i really love OOC, but if i had to choose between having either ooc or YT, YT would win.

[Rushmore]

Originally Posted by Pudge [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

hi envious, i assume you wanted a response to this post:


yellow text hinders pvp?
1) no one wants to die, whether it gets broadcast or not. Taking out YT will not make them decide to fight like idiots after they realize they're going to lose. Especially when they would lose EXP because of it. They will zone plug just as much.
2) "meanwhile you have a small group porting everywhere in game trying to get 1 more killshot" - i think you just refuted yourself there
3) purpose it serves besides ego stroking: lets everyone else on the server know where the action is going down. this information can be tactically important, as well as just plain fun. it can also increase pvp, because everybody loves to join a party!

4) Scared of dying? Of course ppl don't want their name on the wrong end of the YT. But this would only make me choose my fights more carefully, increasing the quality of my PvP, instead of promoting bind rushing and hollow shit talking.

Maybe there could be limits on the YT (as i mentioned before, 4 levels, or only after you're level 45, something like that) but don't take it out just because ppl might get a bruised ego. what bruises egos the most is OOC. i really love OOC, but if i had to choose between having either ooc or YT, YT would win.

Pudge is a vet.

And I agree you just have to keep /ooc and YT in.

It's so much fun.

Listen.... I'm not Xantille or Knuckle etc. (forgive me for leaving your name out) but it's just plain fun to see a hall of famer kill someone while your camping some gay ass item. Bragging rights are a good thing. If you love EQ like some of you say you do....And you say you love a challenge ....
YT ups the ante.

It works both ways. If you kill them the lols follow.

[Pudge]

and yea i dont think leaderboard would be good for server

YT=yes

leaderboard=no

[Doors]

Is Nilbog advocating for item loot? It would actually be pretty sweet, like 1 equipped item or something. Bind camping could never be legal then and it would have to be enforced pretty heavily which would get really old really fast. I could go either way item/coin doesn't matter to me.