Lord Nagafen & Lady Vox status (post 52 restriction)

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by Ring [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Laughing at this post. Shaere, if your guild can't compete it's no one's fault but your own. Be better and mobilize better.

His post isn't about that. Here are the key points:

The word competition is another word that has twisted meaning here and you misue like 'motivated'. Because to 'compete' here means a whole lot more then having skilled dedicated players capable of killing a mob. Your 'competition' involves sitting at a spawn for days on end at the nicest. At the worst you're training and petitioning and lying cheating stealing whatever it takes to get what you want. To say others don't have the same dedication or will to compete is insulting. It's the lack of will to stoop to that level.

If you really wanted 'competition' when another guild stepped up you would let them have their chances instead of rolling in and sniping a mob from them.

Either you send in bards to sit in our raid and charm mobs as they spawn in hateplane, or wait till someone pulls fire giants in front of Tranix then run up and snipe him. Wait for a guild to clear fear and run in and kill CT. Wait for them to clear isle 3 and then pull Gorgalosk before they finish counting their keys and end their raid because they can't key up people now. Train giants and whatever else in solb to wipe a naggy attempt because you don't want the guild that got there first getting your loot. Invis by people camping the king and sit on the fort and claim it is now yours due to server rules. If that fails petition and train. Every single time there has been something wanted I have witnessed a complete and utter lack of respect and 'competition'.

You don't want competition, so stop saying you do. Because the above things happen when you get competition, and because most of us aren't willing to stoop to that level, fuck it, have the mob if it's that important to you. If that's how you want to "win", fine. If your idea of winning a bicycle race is to suckerpunch other people competing against you, pushing them into oncoming traffic with your foot, shoving a lead pipe in their spokes, using a blowgun to fire a tranquilizer dart in their neck, etc, so you can be the only one crossing the finish line at the end to the point where no one even wants to show up to the race next time because it's less trouble just to let you win... was it really about who was faster on a bicycle? No.

I can't speak for the others here, but I'm not wasting my personal time helping my guild mobilize and attempt to engage a raid target just to have some douchewafflery (see above) happen that wastes all our time for the night.

[Ring]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

His post isn't about that. Here are the key points:







You don't want competition, so stop saying you do. Because the above things happen when you get competition, and because most of us aren't willing to stoop to that level, fuck it, have the mob if it's that important to you. If that's how you want to "win", fine. If your idea of winning a bicycle race is to suckerpunch other people competing against you, pushing them into oncoming traffic with your foot, shoving a lead pipe in their spokes, using a blowgun to fire a tranquilizer dart in their neck, etc, so you can be the only one crossing the finish line at the end to the point where no one even wants to show up to the race next time because it's less trouble just to let you win... was it really about who was faster on a bicycle? No.

I can't speak for the others here, but I'm not wasting my personal time helping my guild mobilize and attempt to engage a raid target just to have some douchewafflery (see above) happen that wastes all our time for the night.

His post was about all the unfair things TR / TMO does, but alas, he provides zero proof about the training, kill stealing, whatever conspiracy theory he's cooking up these days. The only valid point he had was that they poopsocked, which I addressed. If TR / TMO are breaking server rules while raiding he should petition and let the GMs handle it.

Your analogy is flawed by the way. Punching someone in a race is against the rules and will get you kicked out. What TMO / TR is doing is training harder than you and finding the will to peddle faster than you in the race. You're losing fair and square. Get the race supervisors to limit the hours they can practice so you can get a win if you want, but as things stand, they're out competing you.

[Slathar]

Originally Posted by Ring [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

they're out competing you.

by out competing you mean sitting in front of a computer longer than the other guys, right?

[Skope]

They say they want competition, but when they create their own competition (poopsocking) then they complain that they're competing. Then they want to convince everyone that the rules are the problem! not the shitty attitudes, but the rules. Now everything is dandy because they're seeing their prime target again, but last week when everything was exactly the same there were some serious problems that needed fixing. Basically you have a bunch of tryhards who never got their fix on live (or never raided at all) and spend their entire time on P99. When they see competition they demonize the competing guild and each attempts to stoop to lower levels in order to win out, but... you know... they want competition. right? wait... no, they don't. when they weren't competing everything was fine, and now that they are you see trolling, training, cheating and poopsocking.

Want to raid? quit your job, abandon your children and invest in diapers, because though that it wasn't like this on live (or anywhere near it), it's reality here on P99. I'm not buying the "you're not trying hard enough" crap, because the time invested then was nowhere near the time required here. It's something that the players and staff created here in order to dwindle and selectively pick out the raiding guilds and tiers based on who can put in an obscene amount of time. Anyway...

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[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by Skope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Want to raid? quit your job, abandon your children and invest in diapers, because though that it wasn't like this on live (or anywhere near it), it's reality here on P99. I'm not buying the "you're not trying hard enough" crap, because the time invested then was nowhere near the time required here. It's something that the players and staff created here in order to dwindle and selectively pick out the raiding guilds and tiers based on who can put in an obscene amount of time. Anyway...

^^ truth

Here is the reality of the P99 raid scene for the rest of us. A post I made on my guild's forums in response to plans to hang out in KC for a possible VS attempt if he spawned:

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One of the responses, that sums up the situation quite nicely:

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Thanks for crankin' it up to 11 and making raiding such srs business on an emu server, effectively turning it into a 2nd job (or 1st job in most cases), guys! :P

[Harrison]

lol these mongoloids still think poopsocking is competing

[SupaflyIRL]

I didn't read any of that and the level of care and effort in this thread is astonishing. You should all take a moment of introspection and then immediately act on your findings, which will either be an awakening or suicide (most likely suicide).

[CHusk2]

Hey guys,

Before I start, let me just point out that the paradigm I'm coming from is that of someone who has never raided, but is interested in raiding. That being said:

I've thoroughly enjoyed the (significant) non-flame portions of this thread, such as the comments by Shaere, Tiggles, and others who have found excellent ways to draw attention to a problem (which I was personally mostly unaware of) while also providing cited and informed insight into the current situation.

Say what you want about either side, but I can't think of another mmo out there where such detail and "case structure" would be presented in order to articulate a point. It's very much more a legitimate debate, or maybe more of a loose stating of ideas, than a flat out flame, which I think is much more productive, and definitely more informative.

So, based on the information I've read, it's looking like I probably won't be raiding Vox/Nagafen. As much fun as I think that would be, I can state with full confidence that I will not be getting bent out of shape about it. I'm still looking forward to learning raid dynamics in other places.

I'm not trying to tell anyone else how to think or feel, but that's my paradigm. It might be different if I were able to play a lot more, but as it stands now I consider myself very fortunate to have this server to play on. This isn't something the development staff "had" to do, and I think that the "thank yous" they get are probably few and far between.

So, at the expense of jumping around and sounding somewhat incoherent, I'll conclude by saying that I will continue to enjoy this excellent game/community whenever I possibly can. If there's a Vox/Nagafen raid in my near future, that's cool. If not, it doesn't really change the enjoyment factor for me.

I think it's important to stop and smell the proverbial roses every once in a while. Getting laid from time to time doesn't hurt, either.

Alkaiser Baneofmistmoore - 45 Erudite Cleric of Prexus

[Tarathiel]

Originally Posted by CHusk2 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hey guys,

Before I start, let me just point out that the paradigm I'm coming from is that of someone who has never raided, but is interested in raiding. That being said:

I've thoroughly enjoyed the (significant) non-flame portions of this thread, such as the comments by Shaere, Tiggles, and others who have found excellent ways to draw attention to a problem (which I was personally mostly unaware of) while also providing cited and informed insight into the current situation.

Say what you want about either side, but I can't think of another mmo out there where such detail and "case structure" would be presented in order to articulate a point. It's very much more a legitimate debate, or maybe more of a loose stating of ideas, than a flat out flame, which I think is much more productive, and definitely more informative.

So, based on the information I've read, it's looking like I probably won't be raiding Vox/Nagafen. As much fun as I think that would be, I can state with full confidence that I will not be getting bent out of shape about it. I'm still looking forward to learning raid dynamics in other places.

I'm not trying to tell anyone else how to think or feel, but that's my paradigm. It might be different if I were able to play a lot more, but as it stands now I consider myself very fortunate to have this server to play on. This isn't something the development staff "had" to do, and I think that the "thank yous" they get are probably few and far between.

So, at the expense of jumping around and sounding somewhat incoherent, I'll conclude by saying that I will continue to enjoy this excellent game/community whenever I possibly can. If there's a Vox/Nagafen raid in my near future, that's cool. If not, it doesn't really change the enjoyment factor for me.

I think it's important to stop and smell the proverbial roses every once in a while. Getting laid from time to time doesn't hurt, either.

Alkaiser Baneofmistmoore - 45 Erudite Cleric of Prexus

naggy spawned last night as was downed by a combined force of BDA and TR... everything went surprisingly smooth... everyone worked together and there wasnt even any deaths... too bad he dropped shitty loot... haha that being said, dont lose hope young padawan naggy/vox are becoming less and less of a priority to the big guilds so its much easier to either A. mobilize your own guild for the kill OR B. mobilize a pick up raid and kill him all the samie... oh and it should also be noted that the banishment thing is a myth...

[choklo]

That is nice Tarathiel, maybe even a ray of hope. Are you guys going to duo trak too?