Enchanter is #1 solo class? What is this madness

[Potus]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

25 years ago our ISP’s and computers were trash. Players were younger on average without 25 years of learning/fixating on a game. They didn’t all have a cleric or bot cleric a bud could log into for a click.

EQ people are different these days, regardless of coding. Back then the average person didn’t use charm in groups either. If we could time travel back, outside buying some stock and special cars, I expect we would mostly find OG players (and ourselves) to be dim and soft.

It's really this. Switching from dial-up to cable modems made this game easier. I also remember charming a pet as a necro and stupid people trying to attack it/pull it constantly.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Potus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=395701

So I said that people should bring evidence ... and they should. I still don't get your beef with me.

Others (like Azxten) have already brought evidence that channeling is off here: https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=395675. That thread is four years old, but if it is ever fixed it will make charming significantly more challenging (ie. closer to classic).

[Snaggles]

I dont think a channeling nerf would change anything. Rune+Bedlam and charming stunnable stuff this is less of an issue (can’t interrupt what you can’t hit). Throw in a cleric with stun command and it’s a cruise control duo.

We all thought the pacify nerf was going to kill enchanters a few months ago. The good ones didn’t even take time off…

[loramin]

You're really going to argue charmers (including but not limited to Enchanters) don't have to channel to solo?

But look, it's all academic. We have bugs sitting for over four years that would make the server more classic, and they're just ignored. Far more significantly, we have a server that claims to emulate classic, but is obviously significantly different from live (on live Enchanters weren't even considered a soloing class, let alone the best soloing class in the game!)

Our emulator clearly doesn't emulate the original, and it's clear the person in charge of the server wants things to remain that way. It's his server, so it will. Nevertheless, I remain appreciative for the 95% of the server that is classic, and I can't really fault Nilbog for keeping his pet class unclassicly powerful: I certainly don't have the talent or energy to build a 95% classic server and run it for over a decade, so I can't really complain .

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I dont think a channeling nerf would change anything. Rune+Bedlam and charming stunnable stuff this is less of an issue (can’t interrupt what you can’t hit). Throw in a cleric with stun command and it’s a cruise control duo.

We all thought the pacify nerf was going to kill enchanters a few months ago. The good ones didn’t even take time off…

You touch on another topic here which plays to the Enc's favour - spells are far more easily unresisted against xp mobs on here than I remember on live.

[Goregasmic]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I dont think a channeling nerf would change anything. Rune+Bedlam and charming stunnable stuff this is less of an issue (can’t interrupt what you can’t hit). Throw in a cleric with stun command and it’s a cruise control duo.

We all thought the pacify nerf was going to kill enchanters a few months ago. The good ones didn’t even take time off…

I've had situations where a hasted and torched pet killed me before stun could go off. When you get a stun resist it sends you reeling even more. I think getting like 33% interrupt chance PER HIT will absolutely change the game. That is basically a near guaranteed interrupt when getting quadded, or just 2 mobs landing a normal round. Right now I feel like it isn't even like 10% chance to get interrupted so I don't even bother loading 2 stuns but it might become mandatory with that change.

Pacify nerf sucks but when you need a 7mins lull Wake of Tranquility still works. It is more mana on a bigger cooldown but you have that option. Most fights will last less than 3m30s so pacify is good enough. It is only when you need to lull a big room with lots of resists that you need the 7 mins, like koro in chardok because otherwise you can just calm for the pull and chain dazzle adds midfight if you need to.

I heard it ruined the prince solo fight but that's about it. Outside of that it is mostly annoying but not a huge problem in general.

[Goregasmic]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

(on live Enchanters weren't even considered a soloing class, let alone the best soloing class in the game!)

They can easily solo 1-60 with just the animation if they wanted. Not as fast and more work but a lot safer.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They can easily solo 1-60 with just the animation if they wanted. Not as fast and more work but a lot safer.

We've had huge revisions to how mage pets work on p99, and we know the ac/atk for NPCs (and so too pets?) is kina borked in a way that attempts to emulate classic feels, but isn't strictly classic, so who knows how classic combat between enc animation pets and xp mobs really is.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They can easily solo 1-60 with just the animation if they wanted. Not as fast and more work but a lot safer.

The classic answer (well, almost classic: 2003) was:

Originally Posted by https://web.archive.org/web/20030829110003/http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/classes.html?class=13

Enchanters can solo. Depending on level, zone, and mobs you're fighting, you can solo with your animation or with a charmed pet. Charmed pets are 5 times more powerful than your ani will ever be, but of course with charms you run the constant risk of the mob breaking charm. Ani soloing can work in certain, very rare circumstances. Your ani just doesn't have enough HP to last most battles. And, if you try to help him out with nukes, mezzes, roots, or whatever else, the mana it takes to kill a mob is completely not worth it.

Of course, that's just one player's report, but I thought it was nice that "GLASS Scholar" answered from across the decades [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

EDIT: From that same page, the perspective that Enchanters were a grouping class:

Do you want to be more effective in a group (enchanter) or more effective solo (Beastlord)? Also depends on what your goals are in the game. If you would like to be a necessary and desired class in the high end game, go with an enchanter.

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're really going to argue charmers (including but not limited to Enchanters) don't have to channel to solo?

Nope, I’m just just tired of the crying about the broken CHA duration and charm durations. If we have receipts, let’s wait for the fix.

That leads me to overreach with my generalizations. I’ve said many times before, I don’t play an enchanter, I respect people who do it’s just not my thing.

This “one wild trick” isn’t the reason everyone charms on p99. Outside dumb luck, there is a huge spread of skill with people who play these classes. The good ones will die, the bad ones will die far more often. Tweak charisma, let duration, channeling, humanity will adapt…it always does.

Digging up 20 year old forum posts about people acknowledging enchanters grouped isn’t necessary. We all remember finding them for our groups. People generally filled out a balanced group. PUG’s were a thing, they aren’t here. I’m sure they soloed as well, charming or without it.