Enchanter is #1 solo class? What is this madness

[Danth]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In other words I don't know, but I'd bet you $20 that if we could get Nilbog to say what class he played on live, it would be Enchanter.

For what it's worth when I talked to him and asked that question on IRC years ago (around 2009-2010ish) he answered Paladin. He also agreed at the time that lull is extremely OP here on P99...yet here we are. Enchanter sure seems like somebody's pet class on P99, but not necessarily his specifically. Maybe a friend of the admins likes it and they do him a favor. Who knows? At this point I don't care about seeing it changed anymore for the existing servers; 15+ years of P99 history outweighs 2-3 years of original to me. It's far too late for it to matter to me anymore. What's it going to do, improve the few hours a month I still play? Now that type of change is just kicking the proverbial ladder out from under the folks still on their way up. Save it for a new P99 if/when we eventually get one.

[Ennewi]

Bog was a half elf pal and IIRC also a mag. There's a classic screenshot of his paladin, forget where. Best I could find was long ago on p99.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...t=69596&page=4

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

For what it's worth when I talked to him and asked that question on IRC years ago (around 2009-2010ish) he answered Paladin. He also agreed at the time that lull is extremely OP here on P99...yet here we are. Enchanter sure seems like somebody's pet class on P99, but not necessarily his specifically. Maybe a friend of the admins likes it and they do him a favor. Who knows?

Huh, you learn something new every day. Maybe it was Rogean's class, or the class of another dev (who wrote the relevant code ... and that code is too gnarly for Nilbog to mess with?)

I honestly don't know why P99 is the way it is, but it's frustrating that they work so hard on making everything else classic, and ignore what everyone who played in Classic knows is unclassic (ie. the title of the thread).

Its like they wrote a Street Fighter 2 emulator where Zangief is the fastest character, but instead of addressing it they just keep adjusting the hadouken damage by a point or two. And meanwhile the Zangief players (now the most popular character) keep repeating that Zangief was always like that in the original game, but older players just weren't as good at playing him.

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Save it for a new P99 if/when we eventually get one.

Absolutely. It makes no sense to fix Green (unless they need to test the fix for 2.0) ... but there's no reason I can see not to fix it in 2.0.

I've played a lot of classes to 60 here, and even more to the 40s and 50s, but I've never taken an Enchanter past low levels because I want to play the real/classic Enchanter I never got to play on live. The classic Enchanter might not be as easy as the P99 version, but it was still a great (and solo-capable) class.

I dream of Green 2.0 letting me play that class.

[Snaggles]

Loramin can’t even admit people played on dialup modems where if a family member picked up the phone your pet would kill you. These days we play on fiber ISP’s and SSD drives. That alone would certainly change the perception of charming.

Believing the average player on Live was as good as any Emulator is ridiculous. Case and point: Many of us were playing on live and are likely much better now.

[greatdane]

Ancient posts from back then are worth just about nothing. Loramin is quoting a post from a guy who says warrior is one of the best soloing classes. These kinds of sources have literally no value whatsoever when it comes to determining what is or isn't classic. People were generally clueless and half of their "knowledge" about the game was pure ignorance and imagination.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by greatdane [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ancient posts from back then are worth just about nothing. Loramin is quoting a post from a guy who says warrior is one of the best soloing classes. These kinds of sources have literally no value whatsoever when it comes to determining what is or isn't classic. People were generally clueless and half of their "knowledge" about the game was pure ignorance and imagination.

Warrior 100 % is best soloing class. You find a spot where you can single an xp mob, maybe by using a green to peel it off for you, then you turn on auto attack and afk for 3 mins, hope when you come back it is dead instead of you. Kill the pull assistant green, hit your 4xbandage and sit macro then come back 10 mins later to kill your next barely blue xp mob. Its the best.

[Jimjam]

I definitely was very bad.

However, now I have a level 21 warrior with maxed out sense heading, begging and fishing as well as a few self made pieces of studded armour. I am certain I’m much better at the game now, than when I struggled to make 19 on my shaman before luclin and failed to tailor any studded armour at all.

[Tann]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I definitely was very bad.

However, now I have a level 21 warrior with maxed out sense heading, begging and fishing as well as a few self made pieces of studded armour. I am certain I’m much better at the game now, than when I struggled to make 19 on my shaman before luclin and failed to tailor any studded armour at all.

If this ain't 100% proof of how channeling functioned back in 1999, then I don't know what is.

[loramin]

It's like everyone here forgets we're playing a simulation of another game ... and keeps ignoring the fact that the simulation doesn't match the original.

You can go off on tangents about how "stupid" live people were because some classic posts came from low-level players .... but you can find stupid posts by low-level players here too. We're not all geniuses who somehow "beat EverQuest", we're just players (the exact same as the original live players) who have a bit more accumulated knowledge at our disposal.

But, crucially, none of that accumulated knowledge should completely change the role of just one class, to switch from being a group class to the best solo class in the game! Only the person making the emulator can do that.

[Jimjam]

IDK, Loramine, I think several of us have touched on the fact it is an inaccurate reconstruction / simulation of a game.

Originally Posted by Me

We've had huge revisions to how mage pets work on p99, and we know the ac/atk for NPCs (and so too pets?) is kina borked in a way that attempts to emulate classic feels, but isn't strictly classic, so who knows how classic combat between enc animation pets and xp mobs really is.

In fact, this realising this from the above post is why I degenerated into baseless whimsical nostalgia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Originally Posted by Tann [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If this ain't 100% proof of how channeling functioned back in 1999, then I don't know what is.

Thank you.