Claw of Lightning is disappointing (ranger)

[Goregasmic]

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Fellspine's Tail is definitely worth the 50-100pp price, snap one up if you see it. But until Swiftwind I'm pretty sure the shovel's gonna be top DPS for you. I sold my Woodsman's or I'd have included it in my parses. I had a defiance but I literally sold it while setting up for the parses. Someone wanted it to pair with a Venemous Axe and I was happy it was going to someone who would use it. Paebala would purely be a fun toy for grind groups with enough dps to afford suboptimal weapon choices. I'm jealous of that Sarnak Lightning Caller, though. Did you faction your ranger or did you drag your corpse down? Another nodrop I've got my eye on is Wind Saber.

Yeah I factionned the ranger, it is ~8 stacks of skins so about 2k. Parked him there and got him 2 HGLs, the hammer, the slick leather courier's cape (not great but decent), a sarnak war bow and a sarnak earring of station also dropped in the meantime. Good investment.

Yeah I've thought about windsaber but according to the comments that thing is a ~1% drop rate in a difficult camp. Gonna pull a ripkozo here and say it is probably faster and less of a hassle to just get a war bow of rallos zek or a bow of the destroyer, settle for a huntsman or buy exquisite. Haven't really ran the numbers on bows, haven't been bowing much outside of pulls or being in trouble.

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I Yeah, that was all with Tolan arrows. I forgot to mention but a full Trueshot discipline is just under 4 stacks at 40% haste. So the BFG is hungry but not ravenous for arrows. I've got fletching up to silver arrows, so I should fletch something for big fights. I've also got a half-stack of Gloomwater Arrows I'm slowly accumulating; that'll be fun to blow on a fight some time.

Very nice. Yea I generally always have 5-6 stacks on me to get through a Disc. I used to keep summoning them and would keep on the cursor. Gloom’s would be a blast lol.

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah I factionned the ranger, it is ~8 stacks of skins so about 2k. Parked him there and got him 2 HGLs, the hammer, the slick leather courier's cape (not great but decent), a sarnak war bow and a sarnak earring of station also dropped in the meantime. Good investment.

Yeah I've thought about windsaber but according to the comments that thing is a ~1% drop rate in a difficult camp. Gonna pull a ripkozo here and say it is probably faster and less of a hassle to just get a war bow of rallos zek or a bow of the destroyer, settle for a huntsman or buy exquisite. Haven't really ran the numbers on bows, haven't been bowing much outside of pulls or being in trouble.

The Sarnak bow is great. I expect the Windsaber isn’t worth the effort if you have that already.

I have a Dagarn bow but it’s really only good for a few things; I kill Lucan with it since every hit is pretty much damage bonus-only. I expect it would be great for PVP or other very short fights. The best mix of ratio and damage bonus are the Exquisite/Priceless/Primal bows. The War Bow of RZ has 180 range and an aggro proc; I expect due to the speed while more efficient per shot it’s less dps. Similar to a Windstriker.

That’s really the spread of bows…fast under the current 2h damage bonus deliver dps but no sustainability. Slow ones efficiency but poor dps; I expect a Windstriker will put down the most damage in a longer time period since arrows are finite. With a shaker and raid buffs Ive done 40-45dps on a glimmer drake or Zlexak with Tolan arrows and an Exquisite. About 90 on a glimmer with Trueshot. In limited testing I’ve never seen the Dagarn pop 100 dps but testing it is a literal pain so I can’t be certain.

[Goregasmic]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Very nice. Yea I generally always have 5-6 stacks on me to get through a Disc. I used to keep summoning them and would keep on the cursor. Gloom’s would be a blast lol.



The Sarnak bow is great. I expect the Windsaber isn’t worth the effort if you have that already.

I have a Dagarn bow but it’s really only good for a few things; I kill Lucan with it since every hit is pretty much damage bonus-only. I expect it would be great for PVP or other very short fights. The best mix of ratio and damage bonus are the Exquisite/Priceless/Primal bows. The War Bow of RZ has 180 range and an aggro proc; I expect due to the speed while more efficient per shot it’s less dps. Similar to a Windstriker.

That’s really the spread of bows…fast under the current 2h damage bonus deliver dps but no sustainability. Slow ones efficiency but poor dps; I expect a Windstriker will put down the most damage in a longer time period since arrows are finite. With a shaker and raid buffs Ive done 40-45dps on a glimmer drake or Zlexak with Tolan arrows and an Exquisite. About 90 on a glimmer with Trueshot. In limited testing I’ve never seen the Dagarn pop 100 dps but testing it is a literal pain so I can’t be certain.

Thanks for the bow review! Yeah it is more or less what I thought. Sarnak is 25 delay and with only 34% haste it fires very fast. I can't imagine firing a 17dly bow nearing 100% haste. I guess dagarn's/windsaber are probably more effective from a dps standpoint but must be highly annoying. If you can get similar results with a higher delay bow without the hassle of firing every 0,6 second and having to summon with tolan's for 15 minutes every fight then the tradeoff might be worth it.

[Snaggles]

Yep exactly, a damned if you do or don’t situation.

The Dagarn bow and Earthshaker let me kill Lucan in like 15-20 minutes. Mostly 59 damage hits. Other than that though, it’s fun but the burn rate is just too high. At about a second a shot that’s three stacks a minute. For most stuff an Exquisite is too good to pass up (or any cheap Velium if range isn’t an issue for rotting).

Next time we get a knight to tank Vindi I’ll go ham and see if the Dagarn bow can crack 100 on Avatar without jolting.

[Cecily]

How's that compare to a 55 rogue with a ragebringer? 2h is by far the smartest gearing path. I have two baton of flames.

[Awsten_Tx]

Not sure what you mean? I dont have any data for a 55 rogue. I might have some leveling data from back in the day.

I am speaking purely from a ranger comparison.

[Cecily]

I'm outright saying a 55 rogue with a ragebringer probably parses on par or better than an endgame geared ranger and that's kinda funny and also that mulling over the optimal offhand in cases like that is kinda silly. It's a class that can autoattack and kick. It doesn't matter. They're all the same. They all parse the same. Claw Swiftwind Braid. Pick what you think is pretty. Meljeldin, Bane of the Giants is better. Mainly because it makes big numbers and it's pretty. Also I have two batons.

[Awsten_Tx]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm outright saying a 55 rogue with a ragebringer probably parses on par or better than an endgame geared ranger and that's kinda funny and also that mulling over the optimal offhand in cases like that is kinda silly. It's a class that can autoattack and kick. It doesn't matter. They're all the same. They all parse the same. Claw Swiftwind Braid. Pick what you think is pretty. Meljeldin, Bane of the Giants is better. Mainly because it makes big numbers and it's pretty. Also I have two batons.

It matters in solo or group content. Raid content literally doesnt matter at all. In fact of all raiding there is like 5% instances when minmaxing dps actually matters.

Comparing a ranger to a rogue doesnt make much sense as the utility of each is basically apples and oranges.

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm outright saying a 55 rogue with a ragebringer probably parses on par or better than an endgame geared ranger and that's kinda funny and also that mulling over the optimal offhand in cases like that is kinda silly. It's a class that can autoattack and kick. It doesn't matter. They're all the same. They all parse the same. Claw Swiftwind Braid. Pick what you think is pretty. Meljeldin, Bane of the Giants is better. Mainly because it makes big numbers and it's pretty. Also I have two batons.

If you look at the larger parse good rangers beat bad rogues all the time. People focus too much on the top 10 and not the other 30+ melees. The back end of the curve is the problem with a raid. Outside mistakes and clerics that can’t count.

Not to make this a class v class argument but rangers are a raid luxury and aren’t overplayed to a detrimental raid comp level. Arguably, I’d rather be a ranger trying hard than a rogue getting beat by them.

[Cecily]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you look at the larger parse good rangers beat bad rogues all the time. People focus too much on the top 10 and not the other 30+ melees. The back end of the curve is the problem with a raid. Outside mistakes and clerics that can’t count.

Not to make this a class v class argument but rangers are a raid luxury and aren’t overplayed to a detrimental raid comp level. Arguably, I’d rather be a ranger trying hard than a rogue getting beat by them.

How are we defining good ranger vs bad rogue here? Some players are shit, yes. Just both classes having a pulse, ranger does not compare with a semi-conscious rogue pressing backstab every 15 seconds. That bar may be sorta high, but I've played with some of the best.