I made a P99 DPS calculator for melee classes based on EQEMU code

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You think UI modifications are third party programs when they are not.

A program that you put on your computer to drastically modify the client (which is how most people do it) is exactly a third party program. The EQ game client does not naturally provide a way to make more text boxes and things of that nature. Changing the text colors by manually adjusting a couple lines in the game file was the only thing people were doing in Classic (discounting the outright hackers), and that was something Verant themselves told people how to do.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you are doing more mouse clicks per second than what is thought possible, they may see that as suspicious.

You aren't doing more mouse clicks per second than what is already possible. You aren't doing more mouse clicks at all, than what is already involved with weapon swapping. If someone wants to adjust their mouse settings or use a virtual mouse, it's no different than other personal adjustments that are allowed.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A program that you put on your computer to drastically modify the client (which is how most people do it) is exactly a third party program. The EQ game client does not naturally provide a way to make more text boxes and things of that nature. Changing the text colors by manually adjusting a couple lines in the game file was the only thing people were doing in Classic (discounting the outright hackers), and that was something Verant themselves told people how to do.

The titanuim client does have a system built into it that allows the titanium client to read a new UI setup. That is what /loadskin does. That is not a third party program, that is a literal feature within the client. You are incorrect here.

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You aren't doing more mouse clicks per second than what is already possible. You aren't doing more mouse clicks at all, than what is already involved with weapon swapping. If someone wants to adjust their mouse settings or use a virtual mouse, it's no different than other personal adjustments that are allowed.

If you are saving screen positions with a script or piece of hardware, you will be able to click more times per second, because you are instantly teleporting your mouse cursor to different positions instead of manually moving the cursor with your hand.

Again, I don't quite believe your story that you were simply suggesting to increase the speed of your mouse cursor with this quote:

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You just use something that makes it so when you click your mouse, it always clicks the part of the screen you want

But to give you the benefit of the doubt, lets say you are using a basic mouse and keyboard with a mouse that just has a high cursor speed. From my testing, it takes too much focus away from the game to do this kind of swapping. I wouldn't recommend people to do it. If you were allowed to use software or hardware that teleported your mouse around the screen, offhand swapping would be more feasible. You would be using hotkeys to offhand swap rather than constantly watching where your mouse cursor is.

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

From my testing, it takes too much focus away from the game to do this kind of swapping.

It doesn't in many cases, as your own testing video shows. Playing melee in this game largely involves standing in one place and not having to do anything else while you stare at the screen. Which is exactly what you were doing. When you are standing around and doing nothing else, there ample room to be inputting other actions when possible. Weapon swapping fills that void, and like I've constantly said, is especially viable with lower haste amounts.

It's not a FUN mechanic, but melee combat in EQ is not fun anyway. Especially on a new server or untwinked character, I'd much rather put the effort in and increase my DPS, than just stand there waiting 4+ seconds between weapon swings and knowing that I'm leveling slower and contributing less to the group as a result. And especially for Warriors, this is crucial for building up more aggro.

[Naethyn]

Is it better than in combat bind wound though?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It doesn't in many cases, as your own testing video shows. Playing melee in this game largely involves standing in one place and not having to do anything else while you stare at the screen. Which is exactly what you were doing. When you are standing around and doing nothing else, there ample room to be inputting other actions when possible. Weapon swapping fills that void, and like I've constantly said, is especially viable with lower haste amounts.

It's not a FUN mechanic, but melee combat in EQ is not fun anyway. Especially on a new server or untwinked character, I'd much rather put the effort in and increase my DPS, than just stand there waiting 4+ seconds between weapon swings and knowing that I'm leveling slower and contributing less to the group as a result. And especially for Warriors, this is crucial for building up more aggro.

For me the constant swapping made it difficult to do other things, even basic stuff like moving around. You just can't really see that in the video. I had to constantly babysit the swapping, or risk misclicking. It took more focus than doing something like fighting a solo challenge mob on my Torpor Shaman. This is because I wasn't able to use hotkeys for this, I had to spend a lot of my focus watching the cursor.

I wouldn't want to do this for hours at a time. My hand was also uncomfortable. I doubt it would be able to do this for even an hour.

[kjs86z2]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's not a FUN mechanic, but melee combat in EQ is not fun anyway. Especially on a new server or untwinked character, I'd much rather put the effort in and increase my DPS, than just stand there waiting 4+ seconds between weapon swings and knowing that I'm leveling slower and contributing less to the group as a result. And especially for Warriors, this is crucial for building up more aggro.

meanwhile the mage is crankin it on the hub while his mage pet does 4x your dmg