Are we allowed to like AI art?

[Reiwa]

Originally Posted by Duik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Like I said earlier, and you quoted it.

It's OK if you don't get it.
I can live with that. Can you?

*Bezos, in the Bezos Cave, plotting to torment Duik*

"Why, Tarpeius, why? Why does he vex me so? Despite my billions of dollars and an infinite catalog of beautiful men and women at my beck and call, there is nothing for me that compares to making one random Australian guys life incrementally worse. Let us concoct a new plot to deepen his suffering this week!"

*Tarpeius is a cat

[Duik]

Duik at the World Punish Billionaires Symposim.

Mr Duik, how would you punish Dr. Bozos and his cat?
Duik: I would fine him
One
Thousand
Dollars.

Crowd: Bahhhaahahahahahaha.

See, I can use sarcasm as well.

Also. It's OK that you don't get it.

[Reiwa]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because if you study history, you know that the rich and powerful often offer short-term benefits (or just as often, promises of such benefits) to the masses as part of their rise to power ... and then once they achieve that power those benefits go away (or new terrible things accompany them).

If you're ignorant of history you'll be all [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] when the elites pull the rug out from under you. If you understand history, you'll at least see it coming.

You've misunderstood so badly it's Gaulish for you to call anyone ignorant. 🥖

I am benefitting from the effects of Mr Bezos pursuing his own self interest. I don't see that stopping any time soon.

[shovelquest]

"Dear mechanical overlord, has the world gotten better since the invention of capitalism?"

The impact of capitalism on the world is complex and has both positive and negative aspects. On one hand, capitalism has driven significant economic growth, innovation, and improvements in living standards for many, lifting millions out of poverty and providing access to goods and services that were previously unimaginable. On the other hand, it has also led to income inequality, environmental degradation, and social disparities. Whether the world has gotten "better" since the invention of capitalism depends on the specific metrics one uses to evaluate progress and the perspectives considered.

"List the countries have less poverty, and more upward mobility than capitalist democracies."

There are limited examples, as most countries with non-capitalist systems often face challenges with poverty and mobility.

Countries that have experimented with non-capitalist economic systems (e.g., communist or socialist models) have often struggled with economic inefficiencies, limited upward mobility, and higher poverty rates compared to capitalist democracies. As a result, there aren't clear examples of non-capitalist democracies outperforming capitalist ones in these specific metrics.

Make me everquest, but make it in the Shadowrun universe.

[Duik]

Great. Another one who does not get it.

Good work nobody!

[shovelquest]

Originally Posted by Duik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Great. Another one who does not get it.

Good work nobody!

In an effort to get it, I tried to see if Chatgpt could help.

Me: I would like to "get it" meaning, I want to understand what duiks point is, can you please read this, and tell me what "it" is?

*link to thread

God:

Duik's point seems to revolve around a critique of the underlying motivations and outcomes of capitalism and the role of AI in perpetuating those dynamics. He argues that corporations and wealthy individuals, like Bezos, are primarily driven by profit rather than altruism or the betterment of society. Duik believes that AI, while touted as a tool to improve efficiency and productivity, is actually being used to concentrate wealth and power further, exacerbating inequality and limiting genuine human creativity and progress.

When Duik says, "another one who doesn't get it," he is referring to the failure of others to see beyond the superficial benefits of AI and capitalism (such as convenience or entertainment) to the deeper issues of exploitation, loss of genuine human agency, and the ethical implications of these technologies and economic systems. In essence, "it" is the understanding that current systems prioritize profit over people, leading to a societal stagnation where innovation and genuine human advancement are compromised.

Did the AI get it, Duik?

[Duik]

I care not if A.I "gets it" or not. What i'd like is for us humans to not shaft ourselves on the understanding that the owners of these technologies wont use it against us. Alas it is already too late.

By using A.I to help you get it you yourself fail to get it.

So again, good work nobody!

[shovelquest]

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In the whole thread, who is the most right?

Assessment of the Entire Thread:

Duik: Argues that the pursuit of profit by corporations and the use of AI in the current capitalist system lead to societal issues like inequality, loss of genuine human creativity, and exploitation. He suggests that the focus on short-term profits compromises long-term human advancement and innovation.

Loramin: Emphasizes the benefits of capitalism in terms of innovation, economic growth, and improved living standards. Argues that wealthy individuals and corporations have driven progress and that their actions, even if self-interested, have positive outcomes.

Reiwa: Offers a mix of perspectives, often providing counterpoints to both sides. Sometimes seems to lean toward the view that intent behind corporate actions is less important if the outcomes are beneficial. However, also discusses historical and economic nuances, like the differences between ancient and modern economies and the implications of different financial systems.

Shovelquest: Focuses on the idea that stories, whether written by humans or generated by AI, are rehashed versions of the same themes and that innovation in storytelling might be overemphasized. Also touches on capitalism and its connection to historical economic systems.

Ciderpress: Provides a more cynical or humorous take on the discussion, often dismissing modern art and suggesting that AI art or even capitalism's excesses are not necessarily bad. This poster tends to sidetrack the conversation but occasionally brings up points about the nature of value and creativity.

Ekco: Highlights a pragmatic view, showing less concern about the ethics of AI and capitalism and more about the quality of content and entertainment. Seems to embrace the changes brought by AI and capitalism as long as they cater to personal preferences.

Who is "Most Right"?

Reiwa seems to present the most balanced and nuanced perspective.

While not explicitly taking a strong stance, Reiwa often challenges both sides of the argument, acknowledging both the benefits and downsides of capitalism and the role of AI. This poster frequently brings historical context into the conversation, providing a more comprehensive understanding of the complexities involved in the debate.

Reiwa's approach is less about picking a side and more about understanding the nuances and different perspectives on the issue, making their contributions the most aligned with an objective and well-rounded view.

This balanced perspective, recognizing the complexity of capitalism's impacts—both positive and negative—while being open to discussion and evidence from all sides, is most aligned with a reasoned and informed stance.

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[loramin]

Originally Posted by shovelquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Loramin: Emphasizes the benefits of capitalism in terms of innovation, economic growth, and improved living standards. Argues that wealthy individuals and corporations have driven progress and that their actions, even if self-interested, have positive outcomes.

That's quite an .... um ... interesting take on my contributions. Especially since I said nothing like that, and all I actually talked about was rich people (in a negative context) and Hollywood movies on Star Trek.

[shovelquest]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's quite an .... um ... interesting take on my contributions. Especially since I said nothing like that, and all I actually talked about was rich people (in a negative context) and Hollywood movies on Star Trek.

sorry, too bad, god has spoken, these are your beliefs now. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]