Player Agreement: Rule Change at the DS Camp

[Ripqozko]

Originally Posted by Allishia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

URN discord is the way, dkp instead of a roll so it is fair based on effort put in, not /RNG. I'm sure brool would be happy to help y'all set one up. Really fixed blue and eliminated that greedy farm crew that was shafting their own guildys too lmao. Also no need to involve csr that way, you can just out compete them

you are the greedy farm crew, bda sucked

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by Mewlio [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Project 1999 is here to emulate Everquest as we experienced it "back in the day" and instituting rules that just award people things for showing up is bogus.

Everquest "back in the day", as soon as the Play Nice Policy was instituted, dictated that camps must be shared. That means you only get 1 chance at a spawn and afterward it goes to the next person in line.

If p99 was actually following Classic rules, then people would need to take turns killing the hallway spawn, and whoever's turn it is when Drusella Sathir spawns is who gets the rights to fight her.

[Mewlio]

You're only interested in participation trophies.

[Toxigen]

socialism has never worked, ever

[iksarking]

That is a big no on a change.

[loramin]

Honestly OP, this thread doesn't matter. What matters is what happens in-game ... but as someone who helped forge the Shady/Goblin Agreements, I promise you this: changing or setting player agreements is really, really hard.

It took awhile (weeks?) of me and others going to every shady spawn, talking to everyone there, getting them to all agree to the terms of a roll ... and then watching some asshole not agree, and we had to do it all over again the next day. And that was when the only "competition" was the (unpopular) clickfest.

If you want to set a player agreement on DS (which is what a roll would be), all you have to do is get every player who wants to do DS to agree to a roll, and then keep it happening for a few weeks (the staff have never specified how long it takes to permanently set an agreement, but it seems to be "a few weeks").

I'd give up on the idea if I were you though: if you can't convince people here in the forum, I really don't think you're going to succeed at convincing everyone in-game.

[berbax]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Honestly OP, this thread doesn't matter. What matters is what happens in-game ... but as someone who helped forge the Shady/Goblin Agreements, I promise you this: changing or setting player agreements is really, really hard.

It took awhile (weeks?) of me and others going to every shady spawn, talking to everyone there, getting them to all agree to the terms of a roll ... and then watching some asshole not agree, and we had to do it all over again the next day. And that was when the only "competition" was the (unpopular) clickfest.

If you want to set a player agreement on DS (which is what a roll would be), all you have to do is get every player who wants to do DS to agree to a roll, and then keep it happening for a few weeks (the staff have never specified how long it takes to permanently set an agreement, but it seems to be "a few weeks").

I'd give up on the idea if I were you though: if you can't convince people here in the forum, I really don't think you're going to succeed at convincing everyone in-game.

Understood, thanks for the details from those other camps. Actually I didn't think the forum would help at all, but that's where CSR sent me. Appreciate the info on how you worked on those other changes though.

[Zuranthium]

So again, the actual classic Kunark/Velious era rules are that camps MUST be shared, on rotation. You get 1 chance at the spawn (the placeholder) in the order that you arrived, and then get moved to the back of the line after you had your turn.

Or if we are doing pre-Kunark or EQ circa 2010's and onward ruleset, then just DPS racing matters. The p99 ruleset is NEVER how Everquest has operated.

[fortior]

Someone who actually engages with player responses instead of putting on a customer service voice and 'thanking for feedback' without displaying any sort of understanding could do this. OP seems to be under the impression that you just need to get enough forum/discord votes to will a GM enforced player agreement into existence.

[berbax]

Originally Posted by fortior [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Someone who actually engages with player responses instead of putting on a customer service voice and 'thanking for feedback' without displaying any sort of understanding could do this. OP seems to be under the impression that you just need to get enough forum/discord votes to will a GM enforced player agreement into existence.

Fortior not only did I engage with you ad nauseum, but I described many of the points and arguments, and counters to things you were saying. It's a bit easier to read my responses without tinted sunglasses on, so if you need help finding my talking points throughout this post I can help with that, just let me know!

Also thanking you for your feedback, is a polite way of me saying: I get it dude, you don't want the change.