I read the PNPs outdoor camp guideline but still...

[tadkins]

Originally Posted by Kich867 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can't really do this on red. There's still level ranges, you can't deal with a high level player who wants to grief you. And unless you've played there for ages, good luck ever actually dealing with anyone over anything. You're not killin anybody with your 0 MR, non-fungi, non-piles of clickies character.

Basically. Folks there have been playing for 10 years and have had the time to amass all the advantages. Also if I'm playing anything other than a wizard or shadowknight, I'm not really gonna have a chance. EQ class balance regarding PvP is horrible.

I also don't have the connections to call upon an army to come defend me. It's pointless to try on that server.

[Jibartik]

Makes no difference, in eq there is predators and prey

[Synthlol]

I only read the OP. Why does nobody on this server have any clue how the game works?

Open Outdoor Zones can be anything from Western Wastes, Karanas or West Commons. There are no staff recognized camps for this zone type outside of single spawn points. Examples of single spawn types might be Ocean of Tears Ancient Cyclops, Iceclad Ocean Stormfeather, or Qeynos Hills Hadden. Though, any single spawn point can be claimed, that is the only spawn you can hunt (if being contested). If you are to claim this point you must get aggro/First to Encounter (FTE) within a reasonable amount of time.

This rule doesn't apply to outdoor zones, it applies to open outdoor zones. That word is there for a reason. It matters. You are allowed to claim multiple spawns in Paineel because Paineel is not an open outdoor zone. It's flagged by the game as a dungeon. Test it yourself. Go to Paineel and try to cast Cancel Magic without line-of-sight. It doesn't work. Whether or not you can "see the sky" doesn't mean a single fucking thing.

This game has been out for decades and y'all still don't know how it works. It's fucking embarrassing. Figure it out.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Synthlol [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I only read the OP. Why does nobody on this server have any clue how the game works?



This rule doesn't apply to outdoor zones, it applies to open outdoor zones. That word is there for a reason. It matters. You are allowed to claim multiple spawns in Paineel because Paineel is not an open outdoor zone. It's flagged by the game as a dungeon. Test it yourself. Go to Paineel and try to cast Cancel Magic without line-of-sight. It doesn't work. Whether or not you can "see the sky" doesn't mean a single fucking thing.

This game has been out for decades and y'all still don't know how it works. It's fucking embarrassing. Figure it out.

Correct. The only people who use the “it’s an outdoor zone” things in cities and dungeons are the people who want to use it to monopolize as many spawns as they possibly can. Anyone who does that tells you all you need to know

[PabloEdvardo]

Originally Posted by Synthlol [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I only read the OP. Why does nobody on this server have any clue how the game works?



This rule doesn't apply to outdoor zones, it applies to open outdoor zones. That word is there for a reason. It matters. You are allowed to claim multiple spawns in Paineel because Paineel is not an open outdoor zone. It's flagged by the game as a dungeon. Test it yourself. Go to Paineel and try to cast Cancel Magic without line-of-sight. It doesn't work. Whether or not you can "see the sky" doesn't mean a single fucking thing.

This game has been out for decades and y'all still don't know how it works. It's fucking embarrassing. Figure it out.

I'm still waiting to have an interaction with someone who actually understands those rules.

In fact, the last time someone started openly stealing mobs from my group in a dungeon, they cited "you know the rules" back to me as though what they were doing was fine, and then when I clarified to them how in a dungeon you can still camp multiple areas, but must concede one (of your choosing) when challenged, they called me a neckbeard.

So either I should know the "rules" (that they just made up) and give up, or if I actually know the _real_ rules then I'm a loser neckbeard.

It's pretty funny... the long story short is that people who don't give a fuck just don't give a fuck, and if you petition them, you're going to get handed a "lose/lose" solution by the GMs anyway, so you usually just suck it up and move on.

[tadkins]

So I've been visiting OoT the last few days or so and I see Selush still out there with the <Ancient Blood> guild tag. It's a pity because I thought AB were genuinely cool and chill lizards who don't tolerate bad behavior, but it seems I am wrong. I guess we know what they stand for as a guild.

[cd288]

If you were trying to hold down multiple camps in a dungeon (to use a simplistic example, like if you were trying to hold Hands and LCY in Karnors) then yeah the other guy can go pull from one of those camps. If he's pulling from both then he's in violation.

[PabloEdvardo]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you were trying to hold down multiple camps in a dungeon (to use a simplistic example, like if you were trying to hold Hands and LCY in Karnors) then yeah the other guy can go pull from one of those camps. If he's pulling from both then he's in violation.

Not according to the posted rules, which is why those rules are basically a running joke because the rules are only rules if enforced, and if you petition you're typically going to get a lose/lose solution anyway.

(According to the rules, as posted) you absolutely can camp multiple things in a dungeon and if someone else shows up and starts taking mobs that you already were killing, unannounced, they are in violation, as they didn't communicate with you first and ask which camp you wanted.

e.g. given your example, if you were holding both Hands and LCY in Karnors, and someone wanted to pull from one of them, they need to ask you first which one you want. If you were sitting in LCY, they need to give you the opportunity to go "oh I'd rather have Hands" and move your group.

However, the "unofficial rule" tends to be you sit on the camp you actually want, pull whatever else you can that someone else isn't sitting on, and if someone else starts killing a camp you aren't sitting on but doesn't ask first if you wanted it, you suck it up and let them take it anyway (an "unwritten FFA rule").

I've talked to GMs first hand in this situation and they confirm the rules are correct that the other party should be asking first, but like I said, if you petition at best they will ensure you have a chance to pick the camp you wanted and at worst will make you both share, and that's if you can even get hold of a GM, so the "unofficial rule" tends to be how it's played.

[loramin]

Man, all this confusion over the rules: I wish the staff would sticky a forum post linking to https://wiki.project1999.com/Camp_Rules ...

[magnetaress]

Ffa red. Pvp. Rallos. Classic rules. Even non factors approve.