Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[PatChapp]

If your in a group with multiple charm pets, dps is not an issue. Enc/enc/cler/cler please. Less dying for everyone involved.

[Crede]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You easily can. Have a few mobs in camp being DoTed, have Ench pets killing others. You just aren't very imaginative hehe. If DPS is your only concern, you can easily have 4 rooted in camp while Ench pets are hitting x amount of other mobs. If you are pulling that much it's easy to have all those mobs.

You’re delusional, this won’t happen 99% of the time. You’re just showing your shaman bias hehe. You focus down one mob in < 1 min, and move onto the next.

Nobody but you will ever think shamans are better dps in a group setting than a mage, nor does anyone want to constantly deal with having 5-7 mobs and risk a wipe, and once a camp is split you won’t have that many anyway. Sorry, shamans just aren’t dps and their utility really adds nothing to a enchanter/cleric/mage composition. The shaman will likely just be sitting there clicking their jbb.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You’re delusional, this won’t happen 99% of the time. You’re just showing your shaman bias hehe. You focus down one mob in < 1 min, and move onto the next.

Nobody but you will ever think shamans are better dps in a group setting than a mage, nor does anyone want to constantly deal with having 5-7 mobs and risk a wipe, and once a camp is split you won’t have that many anyway. Sorry, shamans just aren’t dps and their utility really adds nothing to a enchanter/cleric/mage composition. The shaman will likely just be sitting there clicking their jbb.

I am not delusional at all. Math wise it works out fine. If it takes 45 seconds to kill a mob, I can Epic Click and DoT at least two mobs in that time before they even start fighting them lol.

The only delusion here is your assumption the game can only be played in a manner that makes Mages look good.

I am sorry, Mages really just aren't that good. My Shaman can match their DPS, and he isn't a DPS class.

[Crede]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am not delusional at all. Math wise it works out fine. If it takes 45 seconds to kill a mob, I can Epic Click and DoT at least two mobs in that time before they even start fighting them lol.

The only delusion here is your assumption the game can only be played in a manner that makes Mages look good.

I am sorry, Mages really just aren't that good. My Shaman can match their DPS, and he isn't a DPS class.

Mathwise you need to be having 4-6 mobs in the camp at all times with your epic dots getting to run their full duration to matter. This isn’t reality. And a mage will also help focus down single big targets better as well.

Sorry, shamans are good soloers, but you’re way too bias of them in all group compositions. Mages are simply better here.

[Danth]

If our hypothetical group starts from ench/ench usually it wants a cleric because Aegolism plus another wave of stuns (Stun Command is pretty nice) goes a long way to surviving charm breaks, plus rez for when someone drops. For a fourth I don't see why they wouldn't want a third enchanter or a necromancer before a shaman or magician. Malo is nice but not THAT nice. I think shaman vs magician is kind of a fight between the runners-up in this situation.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Mathwise you need to be having 4-6 mobs in the camp at all times with your epic dots getting to run their full duration to matter. This isn’t reality. And a mage will also help focus down single big targets better as well.

Sorry, shamans are good soloers, but you’re way too bias of them in all group compositions. Mages are simply better here.

You do realize I can solo 3 Seb mobs at a time right? Not sure why you think thay changes when we are in a group lol. You get more DPS and kills per hour than a Mage without an increased risk.

Your preference on how to play doesn't change mathematical fact.

[Keebz]

Idk, it sounds right. I think 4 shaman is clearly the best. DSM has me convinced. Why kill 1 mob at a time with superior DPS when you can root rot 16-20 simultaneously? Not to mention the 4 wolf pets putting out 44 dps and the 4 JBBs hit nearly 20dps. Seriously why play any other class? Can a mage Torpor a wolf pet? I don't think so.

[Crede]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You do realize I can solo 3 Seb mobs at a time right? Not sure why you think thay changes when we are in a group lol. You get more DPS and kills per hour than a Mage without an increased risk.

Your preference on how to play doesn't change mathematical fact.

Because nobody cares what you do solo hehe. Groups will just slaughter one mob at a time. You will run out of mass groups to kill very quickly so then the shaman will be stuck focusing down one with them. You think solo play = group play. Sorry, just not how things work. Shaman end up just casting jbb and bane here and there.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because nobody cares what you do solo hehe. Groups will just slaughter one mob at a time. You will run out of mass groups to kill very quickly so then the shaman will be stuck focusing down one with them. You think solo play = group play. Sorry, just not how things work. Shaman end up just casting jbb and bane here and there.

Sorry you can't math or think about other ways to play. I know how groups work. You don't. If you knew how groups worked you could do different tactics if you wanted.

There is no reason why you can't do my suggestion in Seb, other than your personal preference.

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nobody is rotting 4 mobs at a time with an enchanter group. Therefore mage single mob dps is superior. You’ll never have 4 mobs rotted long enough for shaman dps to matter in a group where you’re plowing through mobs. This is a silly statement to make in this context.

If only it were just a "silly statement". DSM is always saying fallacies like this.

A Shaman especially isn't going to be root rotting like that vs summoning MOBs. It's such a dumb thing to say.