Melee Worthlessness - The Biggest Balance Problem There Is

[tadkins]

Originally Posted by drackgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I love how this post is about Melee. Some of you havn't played Wizzy[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] at least Melee constantly doing dmg and bashing. Wizzy = ice comet pray no resist then mana.. Resist and accept res afterwards..

Yes wizzy can solo lvl. But who cares about solo leveling. As melee form groups. As a ranger form a group(be the puller). If your hate for melee that you can't find groups. Take a breathe, realize maybe you have bad rep? And try and fix it. Join a guild, or group of people you constantly run with.

I'm playing a wizard right now, currently level 19, after having played a mage to 44. I suppose I'll learn in due time what really is better but I figure in the long run a wizard will be more fun and interesting later.

On the surface though, it just seems like the wizard will be better over the long haul. I feel like a wizard with good gear and all of their clickies will just be more fun and powerful. They also get noticable benefits from actually being geared, while my mage just puts on a focus item and runs around wearing a starter robe and little else. No joke, I am literally doing this right now, my mage at 44 is wearing a Sr. Purple Apprentice Robe and still killing blues at his level.

I also am liking the fact that my wizard can zone and drop invis somewhere, and immediately be battle ready, while my mage needs a few moments to do anything. A mage caught without a pet feels like literal dog food.

And then finally, as a wizard I can look forward to playing my fantasy in a raid later and actually launch lightning bolts at that terrifying dragon, as opposed to standing in the back and pooping out mod rods.

Again I could be wrong but these are just the impressions I am getting. I admit I don't have any higher level experiences so I could be totally wrong. Please don't hurt me lols.

[Tethler]

Originally Posted by tadkins [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

as opposed to standing in the back and pooping out mod rods.

Don't forget CoTHing an entire raid force. Sitting with your face in a wall and dropping eyeballs for X amount of time is a stimulating raid experience.

[tadkins]

Originally Posted by Tethler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Don't forget CoTHing an entire raid force. Sitting with your face in a wall and dropping eyeballs for X amount of time is a stimulating raid experience.

Ah yeah that's true, forgot about that one.

But yup it was disappointing to find out I wouldn't really even be allowed to sic a buffed pet on a boss.

[Vaarsuvius]

Originally Posted by tadkins [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ah yeah that's true, forgot about that one.

But yup it was disappointing to find out I wouldn't really even be allowed to sic a buffed pet on a boss.

Yeah your one pet will push that raid target a lot more than several dozen melee PCs you know... Way to dangerous for your raid force

[NPC]

Originally Posted by tadkins [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm playing a wizard right now, currently level 19, after having played a mage to 44. I suppose I'll learn in due time what really is better but I figure in the long run a wizard will be more fun and interesting later.

On the surface though, it just seems like the wizard will be better over the long haul. I feel like a wizard with good gear and all of their clickies will just be more fun and powerful. They also get noticable benefits from actually being geared, while my mage just puts on a focus item and runs around wearing a starter robe and little else. No joke, I am literally doing this right now, my mage at 44 is wearing a Sr. Purple Apprentice Robe and still killing blues at his level.

I also am liking the fact that my wizard can zone and drop invis somewhere, and immediately be battle ready, while my mage needs a few moments to do anything. A mage caught without a pet feels like literal dog food.

And then finally, as a wizard I can look forward to playing my fantasy in a raid later and actually launch lightning bolts at that terrifying dragon, as opposed to standing in the back and pooping out mod rods.

Again I could be wrong but these are just the impressions I am getting. I admit I don't have any higher level experiences so I could be totally wrong. Please don't hurt me lols.

Quad kiting the wizards true power, you will level faster than just about any class in the game. At 19 you can quad beetles in NK without Jboots, they are slow enough to out run on foot, strafe running makes this even easier. It helps to have your Staff of Temperate flux to quad, do the Sol Ro temple quest, if you have 44 mage should be easy.
NK beetles to 23-24th
After that your gonna need Jboots.
I did SK treants till 39th after that, but will you take Qeynos and Druid ring faction hits. You dont need Jboots for Treants, plus wizards destroys treants, fire spells own them. Awesome loot an xp too, and only a 4 min spawn. Can take 1 treant till about 29th, then you can take both till 39th.
Then quad guards EK or WK till 49th.
Spirocs in TD till 51.
Raptors in TD till 60.

[azeth]

Question can anyone name a Kunark or Velious raid target that can be killed without melee DPS?

I'll give you a tank and even a backup tank, but no melee DPS.

[NPC]

Originally Posted by azeth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Question can anyone name a Kunark or Velious raid target that can be killed without melee DPS?

I'll give you a tank and even a backup tank, but no melee DPS.

A single wizard (55-60) can do over 10k-12k damage in a minute. Kunark mobs get destroyed.

[azeth]

Originally Posted by NPC [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A single wizard (55-60) can do over 10k-12k damage in a minute. Kunark mobs get destroyed.

Okay which raid targets

[Raev]

Originally Posted by azeth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Okay which raid targets

Lure of Ice is 800 damage for 320 mana if memory serves. If each Wizard gets in 10 casts, that's 8000 damage in a minute. A full group is 48K HP which is significantly more than any Kunark raid target, even with VP dragon regeneration or Trakanon lifetaps or whatnot.

IIRC Dragonbanes do 2000 damage for 400 mana. Vulak has 1 million HP or so, and would need 600 casts or so (let's not be cheap with those peridots!) which would mean 240,000 mana. 50 wizards ought to do the trick.

The all wizard guild would cry during the crawl up to Vulak, though.

[Vizax_Xaziv]

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lure of Ice is 800 damage for 320 mana if memory serves. If each Wizard gets in 10 casts, that's 8000 damage in a minute. A full group is 48K HP which is significantly more than any Kunark raid target, even with VP dragon regeneration or Trakanon lifetaps or whatnot.

IIRC Dragonbanes do 2000 damage for 400 mana. Vulak has 1 million HP or so, and would need 600 casts or so (let's not be cheap with those peridots!) which would mean 240,000 mana. 50 wizards ought to do the trick.

The all wizard guild would cry during the crawl up to Vulak, though.

Would be fun to see. Has anything like this ever been tried on Blue? I imagine you'd have the player base there that would be required.

Wouldn't mind seeing 50-60 Wizards all together instagib a Kunark dragon either (they all start casting simultaneously)