Why our cultures and civilization is failing.

[zodium]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

what if the entire economy was just an illusion and instead of collapsing once we all realized that was true it just kept going because we all liked being comfortable with unfairness, to being shot at and shooting at each other in a world war, while the rich people stay the same as they did when we were just barely comfortable?

thats the barbarism in "socialism or barbarism"

[Kaveh]

The Chinese stole our wind turbine designs because they couldn’t come up with a WIND TURBINE by themselves

[valithteezee]

"In 100-300 years we are facing global extinction and destruction of our biosphere."

Not sure about this one. Lots of predictions about the end of times and I don't see much science that isn't blasted by a rational counter argument that climate change is bogus. Certainly overpopulation will be a problem and we need to learn how to live together harmoniously. Government, in the USA at least, does not seem to be solving any of the major issues of our times and I think we need a big cultural shift. And no, I don't think "great reset" technocratic cultural reset is what is needed either. Something deeper that can give humanity meaning again.

[Kaveh]

Originally Posted by valithteezee [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"In 100-300 years we are facing global extinction and destruction of our biosphere."

Not sure about this one. Lots of predictions about the end of times and I don't see much science that isn't blasted by a rational counter argument that climate change is bogus. Certainly overpopulation will be a problem and we need to learn how to live together harmoniously. Government, in the USA at least, does not seem to be solving any of the major issues of our times and I think we need a big cultural shift. And no, I don't think "great reset" technocratic cultural reset is what is needed either. Something deeper that can give humanity meaning again.

Solid post my man!

[magnetaress]

Originally Posted by valithteezee [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"In 100-300 years we are facing global extinction and destruction of our biosphere."

Not sure about this one. Lots of predictions about the end of times and I don't see much science that isn't blasted by a rational counter argument that climate change is bogus. Certainly overpopulation will be a problem and we need to learn how to live together harmoniously. Government, in the USA at least, does not seem to be solving any of the major issues of our times and I think we need a big cultural shift. And no, I don't think "great reset" technocratic cultural reset is what is needed either. Something deeper that can give humanity meaning again.

Look at oceanic anoxic zones, the sharp decline of biodiversity. Birth defects in animals. Prion diseases, aka chronic wasting diseases. Reef die offs. Also there is a ton of evidence this happens periodically in prehistoric, geological timescales where we've lost 80% of complex multicellular life.

The worrisome part anyone who is a steward towards earth and cares about our great grandchildren, or even just the quality of life of our children is that we are rapidly and artificially accelerating this process.

It's not really covered up.

Let's say humanity lives 1000 more years because our science is very stupid, how will people live? What health problems will they face? What health problems are on the rise now?

Heat disease.
Endocrine. > diabetes
Neurological disorders, like chronic wasting diseases in humans > mental illness.
Autoimmune diseases
Pathogens like covid becoming commonplace.

Most of this is due to heavy metals pollution and malnutrition, soil depletion, sterilization, lack of healthy microbes, and a lot of the science on that is centuries old, especially regarding nutrition. There's a good reason people had a 40 year lifespan in great Britain as factory workers. Before a program of recycling human waste was implemented and augmented with imports from colonial conquests.

My # 1 rule is to not take the governments or my word on this.

Look after your own health and sustainability before you hand over your income to some states power companies protectionism.

Kaveh did right by having a ranch with a generator.

Even having an Acre and some old dried out rotted wood planks in reserve is a step in the right direction. Don't rely on nursing homes to feed you or keep ya warm in the coming biblical days bruhs.

[valithteezee]

Originally Posted by magnetaress [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Look at oceanic anoxic zones, the sharp decline of biodiversity. Birth defects in animals. Prion diseases, aka chronic wasting diseases. Reef die offs. Also there is a ton of evidence this happens periodically in prehistoric, geological timescales where we've lost 80% of complex multicellular life.

The worrisome part anyone who is a steward towards earth and cares about our great grandchildren, or even just the quality of life of our children is that we are rapidly and artificially accelerating this process.

It's not really covered up.

Let's say humanity lives 1000 more years because our science is very stupid, how will people live? What health problems will they face? What health problems are on the rise now?

Heat disease.
Endocrine. > diabetes
Neurological disorders, like chronic wasting diseases in humans > mental illness.
Autoimmune diseases
Pathogens like covid becoming commonplace.

Most of this is due to heavy metals pollution and malnutrition, soil depletion, sterilization, lack of healthy microbes, and a lot of the science on that is centuries old, especially regarding nutrition. There's a good reason people had a 40 year lifespan in great Britain as factory workers. Before a program of recycling human waste was implemented and augmented with imports from colonial conquests.

My # 1 rule is to not take the governments or my word on this.

Look after your own health and sustainability before you hand over your income to some states power companies protectionism.

Kaveh did right by having a ranch with a generator.

Even having an Acre and some old dried out rotted wood planks in reserve is a step in the right direction. Don't rely on nursing homes to feed you or keep ya warm in the coming biblical days bruhs.

Okay, it sounds like you are not chalking this all up to a raise in greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. I agree, we certainly live in a toxic world although I don't think it's too far gone.

[zodium]

President Xi., My name is Bella Allen. I am 7 years old. I live in Abilene. My government is starving my family, and is not giving us heat even though it is freezing. Please send Chengdu J-20 Multirole Stealth Fighter Aircraft.

[Kaveh]

Originally Posted by zodium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

President Xi., My name is Bella Allen. I am 7 years old. I live in Abilene. My government is starving my family, and is not giving us heat even though it is freezing. Please send Chengdu J-20 Multirole Stealth Fighter Aircraft.

Bella? You a twilight fan? Europeans ...

[Kaveh]

As an aside, does anyone know why Ionian Greek, the form of Greek spoken in Attica and Ionia, became koine Greek? I’m curious because the Macedonian conquerors of the near East spoke Doric

[Gwaihir]

Originally Posted by Kaveh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As an aside, does anyone know why Ionian Greek, the form of Greek spoken in Attica and Ionia, became koine Greek? I’m curious because the Macedonian conquerors of the near East spoke Doric

Yes.

Cadmus brought with him, the Phoenician alphabet:

"The natives of the land surmised that unless they removed the foreigners, their troubles would never be resolved. At once, therefore, the aliens were driven from the country and the most outstanding and active among them banded together and, as some say, were cast ashore in Greece and certain other regions; their leaders were notable men, among them being Danaus and Cadmus. But the greater number were driven into what is now called Judea, which is not far from Egypt and at that time was utterly uninhabited. The colony was headed by a man called Moses."

Source: Diodorus Siculus. XL: 3.2

This is also where the concept of the Lost Tribe of Dan comes from: Danaus, who constituted the nation of Troy.

Likewise Orpheus was a student of Moses as well:
Aristobulus, a third century BC Jewish philosopher, claimed that Orpheus was a follower of Moses, and quoted the following from an Orphic poem: “I will sing for those for whom it is lawful, but you uninitiate, close your doors, charged under the laws of the Righteous ones, for the Divine has legislated for all alike. But you, son of the light-bearing moon, Musaeus (Moses), listen, for I proclaim the Truth…”Artapanus, third century BC Jewish philosopher, declared of Moses that, “as a grown man he was called Musaeus by the Greeks. This Musaeus was the teacher of Orpheus.”

Source: Orphica, cited in James H. Charlesworth,, ed. The Old Testament Pseudepigrapha: Apocalyptic Literature & Testaments, Vol. I & II (New York: Doubleday, 1983), p. 799).

Source: Eusebius. Praeparatio Evangelica, 9.27 .1-37

Plato stated:

"Beggar priests and seers come to the doors of the rich and convince them that in their hands, given by the gods, there lies the power to heal with sacrifices and incantations, if a misdeed has been committed by themselves or their ancestors, with pleasurable festivals… and they offer a bundle of books of Musaeus and Orpheus… according to which they perform their sacrifices; they persuade not only individuals but whole cities that there is release and purification from sin through sacrifices and playful pastimes, and indeed for both the living and the dead; they call these teletai, which deliver us from evil in the afterlife; anyone who declines to sacrifice, however, is told that terrible things are waiting for him."

Source: Plato. The Republic, 364b -365a.


Also, according to Clement of Alexandria:
"The raving Dionysus is worshipped by Bacchants with orgies, in which they celebrate their sacred frenzy by a feast of raw flesh. Wreathed with snakes, they perform the distribution of portions of their victims, shouting the name of Eva (Eua), that Eva through whom error entered into the world; and a consecrated snake is the emblem of the Bacchic orgies."

Source: Clement of Alexandria. Exhortation to the Greeks, 2.12