P99 Enchanter Strike

[guineapig]

Originally Posted by redghosthunter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hehe, Someone was saying that Hate was jacked... I found this.... and it says EXTRA HATE.... How much more direct can i be? I played a ENC ow... year ago and experienced agro from mobs casting ANY ENC spell on mob even at mob health 50%. So ya HATE is jacked.

I played ENC later on Live till 65 and as long as you waited till 90% mob health you could toss one once in awhile.

A few things.

I also played an enchanter up to level 65. That was PoP era and all enchanters invested in AA's that lowered agro. Thinking of how things were back in PoP is completely irrelevant.

Second: I Can't think of a single reason (besides suicide) to use AoE tash ever. That's how people thought of the spell on live as well.

Third: You are also ignoring one important factor. The rest of your group. I have tanks that can keep agro after tash at 95% and slow at 85% and I have tanks that loose agro when I slow at 65%. I can think of a ton of other variables that could be considered that never seem to be mention in your myriad of threads. Long story short, enchanter spells do not exist in a vaccum.

Lastly: I play my enchanter NOW on the server as opposed to a year ago like you keep saying about yourself. I'm having a great time playing my class. Perhaps you don't have a leg to stand on when you are only going by what certain people are saying and completely ignoring what other people are saying. Maybe try playing the class?

Originally Posted by redghosthunter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

ENCs glory days have ended go home there is not the heart to strike.

Sounds to me like you want to start playing your enchanter again but don't want any competition for groups. I say this because you keep asking other enchanters to stop playing...

[Ruinous]

Originally Posted by redghosthunter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

NAIL IN COFFIN, for NON TIMELINE- ENC killing JACKED HATE. Intentional JACKED HATE. Read ---- extra hate 10

What exactly are you referring to by nail in coffin? He adjusted hate to what was thought to be appropriate. Are you arguing that Tash isn't supposed to have a hate component? Because if you recall they specifically added focus effects to counteract or reduce the hate obtained from casting tash, which was a godsend if you ever actually played an enchanter from classic on.

See: Innoruk's Sarcasm here: http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/s...tml?spell=3549

[Extunarian]

@guineapig- I haven't had a chance to play my chanter yet. As soeone who currently plays do you think charm is still viable? Maybe only with a cleric?

[nambar]

Originally Posted by guineapig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A few things.

I also played an enchanter up to level 65. That was PoP era and all enchanters invested in AA's that lowered agro. Thinking of how things were back in PoP is completely irrelevant.

Second: I Can't think of a single reason (besides suicide) to use AoE tash ever. That's how people thought of the spell on live as well.

Third: You are also ignoring one important factor. The rest of your group. I have tanks that can keep agro after tash at 95% and slow at 85% and I have tanks that loose agro when I slow at 65%. I can think of a ton of other variables that could be considered that never seem to be mention in your myriad of threads. Long story short, enchanter spells do not exist in a vaccum.

Lastly: I play my enchanter NOW on the server as opposed to a year ago like you keep saying. I'm having a great time playing my class. Perhaps you don't have a leg to stand on when you are only going by what certain people are saying and completely ignoring what other people are saying. Maybe try playing the class?



Sounds to me like you want to start playing your enchanter again but don't want any competition for groups. I say this because you keep asking other enchanters to stop playing...

A few things:

I played an enchanter from 1999 to 2003. Enchanters on here work about twice as hard as on live to control aggro. I don't know if it's due to the hate on enchanter spells or if it's issues with tanks and their aggro abilities. Mez here feels like it has a tremendously higher amount of hate associated with it than on live.

I used mem blur on live, but never to the extend I use it on here. Mem blur on live was for juggs or other high level camps here I have it mem'd for every group and cast it constantly.

I'm not saying enchanters aren't fun, they're still a very entertaining class, especially if you're pulling and controlling the flow of mobs in the group, BUT there is an issue with enchanter spell aggro and I hope the devs address it. It's hard to find data for spell hate (Read: impossible) that the only evidence is anecdotal. It was the same with charm and charm got changed so hopefully devs give us a bone.

Here's my memory on spells on here vs classic:

Root: A slight reduction on hate would make it feel more like classic
Color line of AE stuns: A slight reduction on hate
Mez: A medium reduction in hate
Tash: A slight increase in hate. YES you read that right. Tash on here feels like it only does 80% of the hate it did on live.
Charm: A slight increase in hate. Same. Charm doesn't give as much hate on here as it did on live.
Slow: A reduction in hate. Slow didn't do nearly as much hate on live as it did on here.

I'm not trying to get enchanters buffed, it just annoys me when I notice these inconsistencies when playing.

[redghosthunter]

Originally Posted by Ruinous [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What exactly are you referring to by nail in coffin? He adjusted hate to what was thought to be appropriate. Are you arguing that Tash isn't supposed to have a hate component? Because if you recall they specifically added focus effects to counteract or reduce the hate obtained from casting tash, which was a godsend if you ever actually played an enchanter from classic on.

See: Innoruk's Sarcasm here: http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/s...tml?spell=3549

Ruin,

I support GM/God U-theman's decision. My point being yes, hate was increased beyond what came off the disks. Why would it say ... Extra hate?

Nail in the coffin... is the sound that a hammer makes when putting all those poor ENC's in the ground [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[nambar]

Originally Posted by redghosthunter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ruin,

I support GM/God U-theman's decision. My point being yes, hate was increased beyond what came off the disks. Why would it say ... Extra hate?

Nail in the coffin... is the sound that a hammer makes when putting all those poor ENC's in the ground [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hey. You're wrong.

That was P1999's Kunark beta spellfiles, not what came off of the disk. Hate data was server side so what came off of the disk is irrelevant anyway. Everyone is just guessing how things were. They were adjusting tash's hate until it felt right, but of course what feels right is based entirely on memory and personal experiences.

[guineapig]

Originally Posted by nambar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here's my memory on spells on here vs classic:

Root: A slight reduction on hate would make it feel more like classic
Color line of AE stuns: A slight reduction on hate
Mez: A medium reduction in hate
Tash: A slight increase in hate. YES you read that right. Tash on here feels like it only does 80% of the hate it did on live.
Charm: A slight increase in hate. Same. Charm doesn't give as much hate on here as it did on live.
Slow: A reduction in hate. Slow didn't do nearly as much hate on live as it did on here.

I'm not trying to get enchanters buffed, it just annoys me when I notice these inconsistencies when playing.

The part that's inherently wrong here is that it's your memory.
To add to this, you stopped playing in 2003.
By 2003 EQ had already seen Luclin, PoP, LoY and LDoN.
Just thinking of the number of patches, spell upgrades, AA's etc that happened between 2000 (Kunark and 2003) makes my head hurt.

I can't speak for you, but I will be so bold as to state that there is no way in hell I can say with certainty what enchanter agro was like for all those spells in 2000. At best I can estimate what agro was like for those spells when I quit playing (which like you was years later).

I think I had something like 150+ AA's on my enchanter when I quit playing that drastically changed the way I played the class. I don't feel like looking up the ones that lower hate, enhance forgetfulness, etc.

[nambar]

Originally Posted by guineapig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The part that's inherently wrong here is that it's your memory.
To add to this, you stopped playing in 2003.
By 2003 EQ had already seen Luclin, PoP, LoY and LDoN.
Just thinking of the number of patches, spell upgrades, AA's etc that happened between 2000 (Kunark and 2003) makes my head hurt.

I can't speak for you, but I will be so bold as to state that there is no way in hell I can say with certainty what enchanter agro was like for all those spells in 2000. At best I can estimate what agro was like for those spells when I quit playing (which like you was years later).

I think I had something like 150+ AA's on my enchanter when I quit playing that drastically changed the way I played the class. I don't feel like looking up the ones that lower hate, enhance forgetfulness, etc.

Yeah, I quit playing by Luclin and PoP but this is a classic server so I think I'm fine. I remembered EQ the way this server intends for it to be with none of the changes that the later expansions added to cloud my memory.

I'm sorry you can't remember what EQ was like back then. It wasn't intended just at you. I want others who played and can confirm what I'm saying to come out so we can get some changes.

[savarin]

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[Ruinous]

Originally Posted by redghosthunter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ruin,

I support GM/God U-theman's decision. My point being yes, hate was increased beyond what came off the disks. Why would it say ... Extra hate?

Nail in the coffin... is the sound that a hammer makes when putting all those poor ENC's in the ground [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Off the disks? Lol. Do you have any concept behind what EQEmulator and the staff here does to recreate the content for you to play in?

You lost all credibility in this thread with that statement alone.