list system flaw

[Legidias]

People still complaining about list when they dont realize that without it, manastone would be only looted by the same 5 people over and over again

[Cuktus]

So, I was on the Jboots list for 23 hours this weekend. I started at number 4 on the list. One person in front of me missed an afk check so I moved to position 3. I then saw 2 drops for folks and I became number 1. This took 9hours 40min. While I was number 2, the number 1 person could not solo the camp but I helped out (a long with other people) to get that person their list item. It can be said that, had we refused and the person quit the list, I would have gotten my boots. But that isn't how RNG works. I saw 2 boots in 10 hour, then 0 boots in 13. Had I, and the others at the camp, tried to bully the person off the list and they didn't get bullied, we would have seen 0 boots in 23 hours. Because that IS how not killing something works.

List is not perfect, but its the system we have. Stop trying to enforce your morals on the list and just kill the damn thing.

[nectarprime]

Originally Posted by Cuktus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So, I was on the Jboots list for 23 hours this weekend. I started at number 4 on the list. One person in front of me missed an afk check so I moved to position 3. I then saw 2 drops for folks and I became number 1. This took 9hours 40min. While I was number 2, the number 1 person could not solo the camp but I helped out (a long with other people) to get that person their list item. It can be said that, had we refused and the person quit the list, I would have gotten my boots. But that isn't how RNG works. I saw 2 boots in 10 hour, then 0 boots in 13. Had I, and the others at the camp, tried to bully the person off the list and they didn't get bullied, we would have seen 0 boots in 23 hours. Because that IS how not killing something works.

List is not perfect, but its the system we have. Stop trying to enforce your morals on the list and just kill the damn thing.

This is the correct answer.

[Grakken]

Originally Posted by Cuktus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Stop trying to enforce your morals on the list and just kill the damn thing.

Stop enforcing your morals, use mine instead!

[Modwolf]

Originally Posted by Cuktus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So, I was on the Jboots list for 23 hours this weekend. I started at number 4 on the list. One person in front of me missed an afk check so I moved to position 3. I then saw 2 drops for folks and I became number 1. This took 9hours 40min. While I was number 2, the number 1 person could not solo the camp but I helped out (a long with other people) to get that person their list item. It can be said that, had we refused and the person quit the list, I would have gotten my boots. But that isn't how RNG works. I saw 2 boots in 10 hour, then 0 boots in 13. Had I, and the others at the camp, tried to bully the person off the list and they didn't get bullied, we would have seen 0 boots in 23 hours. Because that IS how not killing something works.

List is not perfect, but its the system we have. Stop trying to enforce your morals on the list and just kill the damn thing.

[bubur]

If we're all helping each other out I'm always cool with it

It's a random 35 rogue that sneaks in and waits out of sight without contributing that I would leave behind. But we all have our lines. Luckily my hypothetical is imaginary. It didn't happen to me, so I can't complain yet

[Nirgon]

Oh yeah let me just camp items for 4 other people for 20 consecutive hours that can't kill the mob. I love helpin out!

Originally Posted by Tethler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Really should have list cleared with like a several hour lockout if people are listing and leaving the spawn up for an extended period.

[Grakken]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh yeah let me just camp items for 4 other people for 20 consecutive hours that can't kill the mob. I love helpin out!

This.

[PabloEdvardo]

Originally Posted by Grakken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This.

Or maybe those people that "can't even kill it" can kill it when they work together, but one person on the list refuses to help "because they can solo it, so fuck the rest"

The lists are 25/35+ for a reason, because you can actually do the content if you group together. You know, like what the game encourages.

Every single toxic shitlord I've seen at a /list camp so far is someone who can either FD or who can solo the mob. Once they have a method of getting what they want on their own, their sense of community / helping out goes completely out the window and they view everyone else as "in their way".

I've seen people actively work together to get higher #s killed just so they can get their chance faster -- and this is against people who were in the group for 20+ hours, helping everyone else until they got their chance.

The selfishness is unrelenting.

[Phaezed-Reality]

Originally Posted by PabloEdvardo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Or maybe those people that "can't even kill it" can kill it when they work together, but one person on the list refuses to help "because they can solo it, so fuck the rest"

The lists are 25/35+ for a reason, because you can actually do the content if you group together. You know, like what the game encourages.

Every single toxic shitlord I've seen at a /list camp so far is someone who can either FD or who can solo the mob. Once they have a method of getting what they want on their own, their sense of community / helping out goes completely out the window and they view everyone else as "in their way".

I've seen people actively work together to get higher #s killed just so they can get their chance faster -- and this is against people who were in the group for 20+ hours, helping everyone else until they got their chance.

The selfishness is unrelenting.

there is a difference between working together and people literally afking expecting you to kill a mob for you while they afk...... dont conflate the too. Also the people who do this can kill the mob, and still afk wait for u to farm their item. If you have not ran into this, you have not listed. This is a huge ongoing problem. It makes me sick honestly.

edit: you know how many lists i been on while we all work together to kill the mob, so the afk guy can get his item? fuck that bullshit.