28 Hours and 24 min since last Manastone

[turbosilk]

Originally Posted by ZiggyTheMuss [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That was a quote from Rocky IV you shitneck. Are you that sleep deprived already? Despite what you may want to believe, I don't ACTUALLY want anyone to die.

HOWEVER, I do not have sympathy for people who commit suicide so why should I be concerned about the people who are voluntarily putting themselves through this?

The list is fine, the drop rates are fine.


The list is the BEST they could do while keeping the manastone in the game. We have volunteer guides who do NOT deserve to deal with the bullshit that would have risen from the camp without a list in place.

You do at least agree that waiting in line for the camp is the right thing I would imagine? The list is there to ensure that people adhere to this and that there is no passing-of-the camp to the next guildie BS going on.

The AFK checks? I think that is a great solution to stop people from AFKing for long periods of time while other people do the work. What else can they do to avoid people from abusing the system they have put in place?

There is NO solution that they could have come up with that would make everyone happy, but apparently the one solution that would save you neckbeards from yourselves would have been to leave manastone and other legacy items out of the game, period, and that goes against the whole purpose of this project made possible by the glorious Nilbog.

Bottom line: their server, their rules.

What do you think should be changed? No list? Manastones dropping like candy? Remove them? What exactly do you propose?

The voice of reason right here.

[Almond]

Originally Posted by turbosilk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The game isn't forcing you to stay up. You are forcing yourself to stay up. If you are going to do it there is no need to complain.

Only 180 more days available to camp it...

Sunk cost fallacy is a thing... you can’t just pretend it doesn’t exsist... people are going to EE with uninformed or healthy intentions then get to #2 or #1 and now feel trapped or committed. We are rewarding the behavior by guarentting the item if the stay on.

I watched Lilstun literally get to #1 in 6 hours... then sit there for 29 hours at #1. You can’t just say “no one making you do it” when he is literally being promised and rewarded the next one.

I would love to see the data on number of people that attain #1 but just log off willingly with no stone vs missed an afk check (aka passed out).

[Videri]

I thought the goal behind pointing out the flaws of the current system is to eventually inspire alternatives. The practical response is either to ignore the "whines" or think of alternatives. There is no need to get mad.

[Crovax]

Originally Posted by ZiggyTheMuss [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't ACTUALLY want anyone to die.

Then I take it you are okay with an alternative to the /list or change to it that doesn't require 60+ hours straight of non-stop playing?

Originally Posted by ZiggyTheMuss [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

HOWEVER, I do not have sympathy for people who commit suicide so why should I be concerned about the people who are voluntarily putting themselves through this?

Are you really telling me you think, "This mechanic is the same as suicide and I don't care if people die to suicide" and, "The list is fine, even though I think of using it as the same as suicide"? You realize how little sense that makes, right?

Originally Posted by ZiggyTheMuss [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What do you think should be changed? No list? Manastones dropping like candy? Remove them? What exactly do you propose?

Strawman fallacy. I never once said it should drop like candy. I have hinted at allowing a 6 hour sleep break after having camped for 24 hours straight. I have also suggested just removing the item entirely. And removing it from /list. I have seen other people mention ideas as well. Every idea will have its pro's and con's. But one of the con's shouldn't be, "If someone uses the system as intended it could result in death". Or so extreme that someone will use an analogy like suicide to describe it.

[bubur]

jeez if what I'm reading is true (tho I'd want additional confirmation), that's some awful luck

just remember folks, you have 6 more months to do this. that's longer than any tlp stayed in one xpac. it's most of a pregnancy. I'm reading extremes, 29 hrs for one drop.. But please be aware it can and has drop back to back in 30 min

[korzax]

Originally Posted by Almond [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And you changed the first section to play it off as if it was yours originally but then missed the BFA race to 120 later in the post... I guess being funny with someone else’s material is important to you.

Yeah, you got the wrong guy. I didn't post it.

[Almond]

Originally Posted by ZiggyTheMuss [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That was a quote from Rocky IV you shitneck. Are you that sleep deprived already? Despite what you may want to believe, I don't ACTUALLY want anyone to die.

HOWEVER, I do not have sympathy for people who commit suicide so why should I be concerned about the people who are voluntarily putting themselves through this?

The list is fine, the drop rates are fine.


The list is the BEST they could do while keeping the manastone in the game. We have volunteer guides who do NOT deserve to deal with the bullshit that would have risen from the camp without a list in place.

You do at least agree that waiting in line for the camp is the right thing I would imagine? The list is there to ensure that people adhere to this and that there is no passing-of-the camp to the next guildie BS going on.

The AFK checks? I think that is a great solution to stop people from AFKing for long periods of time while other people do the work. What else can they do to avoid people from abusing the system they have put in place?

There is NO solution that they could have come up with that would make everyone happy, but apparently the one solution that would save you neckbeards from yourselves would have been to leave manastone and other legacy items out of the game, period, and that goes against the whole purpose of this project made possible by the glorious Nilbog.

Bottom line: their server, their rules.

What do you think should be changed? No list? Manastones dropping like candy? Remove them? What exactly do you propose?

I support any solution from removing it, to changing the list system, to drop rates... ANY of them that don’t reward players for risking their health and promote 40-50 hours of consecutive camping. I don’t care what the outcome is over except for it to not put players at risk.

I mean read your own post and words man... if I have to choose between guilds locking it up and guides being bothered vs 50+ hour camps for people I choose the former.

There were reports of 3 people on green passing out in #1 or 2 spot today... I guess they fall in that no sympathy catagory for you.

[korzax]

Just get rid of the manastone, you don't need it to 'win' the game.

[bubur]

Originally Posted by korzax [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just get rid of the manastone, you don't need it to 'win' the game.

Yes but don't get rid of the one I ady got [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[ZiggyTheMuss]

Originally Posted by Crovax [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Then I take it you are okay with an alternative to the /list or change to it that doesn't require 60+ hours straight of non-stop playing?

Removing the list would not change the amount of time it takes to get the item to drop. All it would do is serve to allow more fuckery and more petitions for the unpaid staff.

I am open to an alternative that makes sense, sure. Nothing has been suggested that comes close though. The list is the closest to keeping it classic while also ensuring the staff don't wake up every morning to a bunch of manastone related petitions.

Originally Posted by Crovax [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Are you really telling me you think, "This mechanic is the same as suicide and I don't care if people die to suicide" and, "The list is fine, even though I think of using it as the same as suicide"? You realize how little sense that makes, right?

Even if the list was removed, people would still be staying up for ungodly amounts of time to ensure that their spot didn't get handed off to someone else. What is it exactly that you envision happening if the list were removed? Everyone playing nice and waiting in line still? If that's the case then that is just simply adorable of you! The players here have shown time and time again what they will resort to for items that drop all the time. We are talking about one of the rarest and most coveted items in classic here that only drops for a short period of time.

Again, what is the alternative that you propose?