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[loramin]

Originally Posted by Maschenny [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Loramin, what is preventing smaller guilds from taking a shot at ToV? I don't understand.

The unclassic P99 competition system (vs. a rotation system). Once again, being willing to CoH-duck or do whatever stupid non-classic thing is necessary this month is different from being capable of assembling 50 of your friends and organizing them to kill a dragon.

[Maschenny]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The unclassic P99 competition system (vs. a rotation system). Once again, being willing to CoH-duck or do whatever stupid non-classic thing is necessary this month is different from being capable of assembling 50 of your friends and organizing them to kill a dragon.

My experience in classic was never get together with 50 of my friends and kill a dragon. It was more like the server's top guild didn't want a druid, so I didn't see any dragons. I've done so much more on P99 than I ever did on live and I'm grateful that it's not the same as classic. At least the top guilds on this server welcome literally everyone.

[Mikebro]

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[Ripqozko]

I'd venture to say most guilds trying are happy, maybe a few rules ironed out. It'd be more legit if you said you wanted rotations for Anon to get mobs intead of "for better of server" which ya wouldn't know about.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Ripqozko [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'd venture to say most guilds trying are happy, maybe a few rules ironed out. It'd be more legit if you said you wanted rotations for Anon to get mobs intead of "for better of server" which ya wouldn't know about.

No one knows what's best for the server off the top of their head, not even Rogean: we all have our own individual isolated vantage points. The entire point of having an open an honest public debate is to share those vantage points, and hopefully have the people with closer-to-accurate opinions share them with others who don't have as much visibility from where they sit.

And again, I'm not arguing as a member of Anonymous, I'm arguing as someone who has played here for half a decade, and before that played on live where I absolutely saw the benefit of content being shared (but again, not top content: even as Bristlebane allowed rotations on Vox and Naggy, Vex Thal was absolutely the domain of only the top guilds on the server). Even if I wasn't in a guild at all, or even if I was in Aftermath, I'd still rather play on a server where 40% have access to raid content rather than 10%.

So make some honest arguments: the current system where X% of the playerbase gets to see certain content and Y% which is capable of killing that content doesn't get to, is the absolute best system for Project 199 because ... go!

[Ripqozko]

Tov is top content you can rotate kunark I don't mind

[Rizzle]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And again, I'm not arguing as a member of Anonymous, I'm arguing as someone who has played here for half a decade, and before that played on live where I absolutely saw the benefit of content being shared (but again, not top content: even as Bristlebane allowed rotations on Vox and Naggy, Vex Thal was absolutely the domain of only the top guilds on the server). !

If you had to pick raid mobs to rotate on p99 then what would it be if its not velious content? You keep mentioning rotating but haven't suggested targets on p99. Is it only Vox/Naggy for p99?

[loramin]

If you can't make an honest defense of your beliefs, I guess all you have left is dishonest cheap shots.

[Nirgon]

Competitive non pvp is still the stupidest shit ever in an EQ setting

[loramin]

I did say that, but I didn't say all live servers had lower population, I said "many" did. Based on the screenshots I've seen of live servers back when population numbers were published (and from the closer-to-Luclin end) that seemed to be true, but I won't swear I'm an expert on live population numbers or anything.

Regardless, if you kept the rest of that sentence you'd see that I also listed two other factors, one of which (the high density of top-level characters) I indicated was far more significant. So please don't get lost in the weeds: we all know that P99's population is uniquely top-heavy relative to live, that that impacts our raid scene, and that we have to be honest about it if we want the best raid scene possible.

But really, if the worst thing about the argument I made was that one minor supporting point was off, that says great things about my argument overall [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]