New ToV rules

[Hotel]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wait ... did you just ... with a straight face (I can't actually see your face but you seemed serious) ... actually compare bat phoning/poop-socking/the P99 Raid scene to ... the fucking Olympics? Human athletes at their absolute peak potential ... vs. some guy with no life staring at a wall so that he can tweet his buddies and they can all sit at a computer for ten minutes?

Really?

Comparing Vulak to an Olympic gold is a fine comparison...? To win an Olympic gold you have to put more time in than your competition, to win Vulak you have to put more time in than your competition.

You may think it's lame, but aren't you the person who updates the p99 wiki? You of all people should understand how people weigh things against others.

And if you don't understand that connection, well maybe its because you never competed in ToV.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by zodium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Imagine if the problem wasn't with the particular nature of the rulesets, but the lack of attempts to secure buy-in for any ruleset from the participants. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I suppose that's possible. But ... are you actually suggesting that Class C/R/whatever failed because people weren't following the rotation? That's not my memory of how things went down.

Or that earthquakes "failed" (they wildly succeed, but were didn't solve the specific case of ToV for the staff) because people didn't buy into them?

I dunnno, I don't really see the argument there.

[zarza]

You don't have to give people a chance without effort. Opportunities and rewards must be available only for all guilds in competition.

[Mblake1981]

Originally Posted by zarza [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The Olympic medal is worth fighting for and winning. They try and prepare for compensation. If everyone turns around and gets a medal easily, what value is it? We should not give a medal to the weak without effort. If you're weak, increase your strength. Win and be rewarded.

Correct. Weakness should never be rewarded. Which is why you must bust up 200+ member guilds that zerg a target. It has already been made clear by other top players that many are just warm bodies helping make the kill happen. They don't really deserve the loot you guys are setting up/pulling/leading for. I know I don't. I was asked to play bots that don't belong to me because my main was useless, especially when you consider people have alt alt bards with better gear than I will ever have collecting digital dust from not being used.

I am a worthless shitbagger, do not reward me. It was clear to me, I quit. I commited pixel seppuku because it was the only honorable way out.

[Triiz]

Originally Posted by Grizzler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

then trying the no csr involvement for 6 months and go with which ever is better, as another above poster posted, sounds like the best route.

This server already tried no CSR in the top raid zone at that point. Someone linked a video of one guy wiping out an entire raid force yesterday. At the end of the video even the guy doing the training says how dumb it is.
https://youtu.be/yQ0-UPeeNJs

[Baylan295]

Originally Posted by Mblake1981 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Correct. Weakness should never be rewarded. Which is why you must bust up 200+ member guilds that zerg a target. It has already been made clear by other top players that many are just warm bodies helping make the kill happen. They don't really deserve the loot you guys are setting up/pulling/leading for. I know I don't. I was asked to play bots that don't belong to me because my main was useless, especially when you consider people have alt alt bards with better gear than I will ever have collecting digital dust from not being used.

I am a worthless shitbagger, do not reward me. It was clear to me, I quit. I commited pixel seppuku because it was the only honorable way out.

Happy you’re having fun with us, bud!

[Zabbix]

Would be nice if we could get that next update in. Safe hallways,push to interrupt being nerfed, and charmable hatchlings will require everyone going back to the drawing board strategy wise. Which would be a nightmare but now everyone has their slot to practice and test things.

[Mblake1981]

Originally Posted by Baylan295 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Happy you’re having fun with us, bud!

I am

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Hotel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Comparing Vulak to an Olympic gold is a fine comparison...? To win an Olympic gold you have to put more time in than your competition, to win Vulak you have to put more time in than your competition.

You may think it's lame, but aren't you the person who updates the p99 wiki? You of all people should understand how people weigh things against others.

And if you don't understand that connection, well maybe its because you never competed in ToV.

Wow. Ok, first off I do ToV literally every week ... although I don't want to misrepresent anything: our weekly raids are on HoT, not the cool named dragons. But we absolutely do compete sometimes, and I could say some very negative things about another guild in this thread that pulled complete bullshit (ie. very clearly and deliberately training us) with their "competition" ... but I'll take the high road. I think anyone with experience there knows how certain guilds act, so for anyone that this is relevant to I probably don't even need to say the name.

However our alliance (AEGIS) does/did compete for cooler stuff, and in fact we're now a part of the rotation. So yeah, I think I have a leg to stand on when I say this stuff. And honestly, I've been a forum addict for many years before I even joined a guild (I remember TMO drama), so even if I'd never joined Anonymous and raided ToV a million times, I still wouldn't be talking entirely out of my ass.

Second, I don't understand what the connection is between "the wiki" and "how people weigh things against others". Like really, I'm trying hard to understand what you're saying, but I just see absolutely zero connection between those two things. There is nothing in the wiki about weighing people against each other, unless you count the Magelo system or the Auction Tracker or something.

And finally:

Originally Posted by Hotel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Comparing Vulak to an Olympic gold is a fine comparison...?

I think you just lost any leg you had to stand on right there.

[Mblake1981]

It feels good to beat them to targets, not gonna lie. But I don't revel in it. It does help define my P99 experience.