TAK project.

[Torven]

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

all you have to do is start a new server that supports the Titanium client (can't be that hard if P2002 can do it)

P2002 switched to Titanium because they were forced to after we closed source on them before Haynar fixed major issues with the netcode that was making raiding a linkdeath fest. They launched Kunark without disciplines or boats functional, so they certainly couldn't handle netcode.

It probably would have been easier for us had we gone with Titanium in the first place. We chose to go with the older client. This is not something that will change. Frankly playing AK from P99 for me wasn't that big a deal so I don't understand the disdain. People play these emus for the classic experience, but don't want a classic client? Seems illogical to me. I suspect that had p99 launched with trilogy, that few would be complaining about clients.

We did discuss adding mousewheel camera. I wouldn't object to this personally if I could somehow know that it would get us significantly more players, but I would hate to compromise on this for nothing. TAKP devs disagree on many issues and this is one of them however.

[Bleepo]

They launched Kunark without disciplines or boats functional

Disciplines work just fine, and who needs boats when you got Translocators.

P2002 for example does not afaik have many players, despite the Titanium interface.

P2002 has more than double TAK's population because they use the superior client, and that's without artificially inflating player numbers with extra bazaar boxes.

[Torven]

Originally Posted by Bleepo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Disciplines work just fine, and who needs boats when you got Translocators.

P2002 got disciplines when Cavedude put them in and you pulled our code, which was after your half-assed Kunark launch that was so hastily done that you failed to include Korocust until 6 months after you launched it.

Originally Posted by Bleepo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

P2002 has more than double TAK's population because they use the superior client, and that's without artificially inflating player numbers with extra bazaar boxes.

You're hilariously dishonest Iance. While you were spamming message boards to shill your server, you were highlighting the fact that it was using our older client. Then when you were forced to switch to Titanium, you started calling it superior. You guys would have never switched clients if you didn't have to.

Our server numbers separate Bazaar accounts from active accounts. You guys are the ones who don't do this.

[Linkamus]

Originally Posted by Torven [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We did discuss adding mousewheel camera. I wouldn't object to this personally if I could somehow know that it would get us significantly more players, but I would hate to compromise on this for nothing. TAKP devs disagree on many issues and this is one of them however.

You should take a poll on the TAKP forums [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] .

[Linkamus]

Ya, quite a few of us are BiS or close to it. Though some of us are saving up DKP for Luclin instead of side-grading in Velious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] . If Velious was the last expansion, more of us would be BiS by now.

TAKP's relatively low population with almost 2 years of Velious is definitely the biggest contributing factor to Temerity being so well geared. That and our monopoly on Vulak ring. (I'd love to see another guild take out Vulak before Luclin releases.. *cough-NAG-cough*)

Regardless of the population, getting a character to BiS in Luclin will be MUCH harder. I'd be shocked if anyone on the server is full BiS Luclin gear when PoP is released.

[Haynar]

Takp client is a huge turn off to many people.

No mouse wheel zoom in/out is often a deal breaker.

Scroll wheel is so important, they didnt want to disable on p99 because it would upset too many. Even as classic die hards as they are here. It was something they left alone.

[Baler]

Originally Posted by Wonkie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you're trash if you prefer titanium over the takp client

I'm the trashman! QOL from Titanium is great.

Originally Posted by Haynar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Takp client is a huge turn off to many people.

No mouse wheel zoom in/out is often a deal breaker.

Scroll wheel is so important, they didnt want to disable on p99 because it would upset too many. Even as classic die hards as they are here. It was something they left alone.

I've achieved an acceptable camera experience through the practice of using the F9 camera options and numpad to move it around. It may not be as snappy as scrolling out but it works and frankly I was using a few of the F9 camera angles on p99 too. So really it just one missing camera angle out of like ?6.

The one thing I recommend to all is to disable mouse camera look. It resets some of the angles in different F9 camera choices and is frustrating to have to keep fixing.

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TAKP is worth a try. Plus people can play p99 at the same time. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Linkamus]

I admit I do wish we could use titanium on TAKP. But being forced to use a client from 2002 is a small price to pay for how polished and accurate TAKP is.

I think you can want a classic experience, but still desire QOL. I always thought that 2002 era EQ would be so amazing with revamped up to date graphics, and a modern MMO client. This will never happen of course, but being able to use titanium would be the next best thing (and no p2002 isn't an option or even desireable for me)

The client used may be a contributing factor for why p2002 has a higher population, but I would have thought it was because they've already released Luclin and PoP, mostly.

[Raev]

Originally Posted by Torven

Frankly playing AK from P99 for me wasn't that big a deal

So you played on AK despite the client, not because of it. Same here. I can deal with the TAKP client, but I would absolutely prefer something more polished. I just checked and P2002 has 171 boxes online vs TAKP's 102 (both numbers including traders). If P2002 is as buggy as you say and their primary appeal is the titanium client . . . it's working.

Also, just to be clear, I am not proposing that you switch. It shouldn't be THAT hard to support both clients if the server code isn't a massive pile of spaghetti. I do think it's kind of cool to support the original client that gives a true classic EQ experience, and you can keep the current TAKP server instance for those that prefer the exact AK conditions.

Finally, Project 1999 has 600 real players online, crushing both 2002 and TAKP. So that suggests to me that boxing is the single biggest issue.

I really think if you launched a PoP emu that supported the titanium client and prohibited boxing (except for say trader accounts) you would get 1K users easily.

[Haynar]

Blah blah blah

P02 is fine. They have newer client. Instanced raid zones, so progression for all raiding guilds is faster.

Takp is fine. No instancing.

Because instancing basically spreads people out more, their populations wont feel much different.

Because of no instancing, and player run raid rotations, takp is a slower pace overall.

Want BiS? Go p02.

Want somewhere casual? Can have that both places.

Want PoP now? Go P02.

Want Luclin in July, and PoP like a year or two from now? Go takp.

Want Titanium? Go p02.

Want a true 2002 era client? Go takp.