Scout Roll Agreement 2017

[Rygar]

Voted no because OP was coming unglued and abrasive and generally douchey. If someone more calm and distinguished like Skarlorn or Cloki proposed some terms I would vote yes.

[Cecily]

Originally Posted by Rygar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Voted no because OP was coming unglued and abrasive and generally douchey. If someone more calm and distinguished like Skarlorn or Cloki proposed some terms I would vote yes.

Yeah. Voting yes to roll. Voting no to random literally <Anonymous> 2017 join dated control freak spaz's terms.
The only thing that needs to happen is that we agree as a server to make it a roll off.

[Legidias]

I already decided in forums and posted that I alone will dictate who gets what items, when will GM's respond and ban all these people selling items??!?!?

[skarlorn]

Originally Posted by Legidias [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I already decided in forums and posted that I alone will dictate who gets what items, when will GM's respond and ban all these people selling items??!?!?

I support this

[Bizban]

this post has made my morning, just wanted to say thank you everyone <3 ROFL since when was this a game where you could just show up to an end game encounter no guild or group with you and win a best in slot item ? i mean hell might as well make everything in the game like this if that is the case , no more need to poopsock mobs or race to get FTE on earthquakes you show up and hit a mob once ur entitled to roll on the loot. Yeah this is real classic everquest tho lmfao

[Legidias]

+1 fungi to skarlorn, the lord hath spoken

[skarlorn]

i support whatever cecily thinks about this basically

[Cecily]

Why is it necessary to control who gets the disk? Give me one good reason. And, no, people who "need it" isn't a good enough one. This is coming from a person who has none of the five disks I "need" for my characters.

Allowing, and I use that word lightly you fucking control freak spaz OP, winners to sell would be a necessary concession to keep FTE clickers off the spawn I imagine. Whoever wins decides what they want to do with it. They played by the same rules and you can't just automatically say this valuable thing isn't for sale now because I made a poll.

[LiQuid]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why is it necessary to control who gets the disk? Give me one good reason. And, no, people who "need it" isn't a good enough one. This is coming from a person who has none of the five disks I "need" for my characters.

Allowing, and I use that word lightly you fucking control freak spaz OP, winners to sell would be a necessary concession to keep FTE clickers off the spawn I imagine. Whoever wins decides what they want to do with it. They played by the same rules and you can't just automatically say this valuable thing isn't for sale now because I made a poll.

I don't like the way OP framed this thread as being for the roll or against the roll but really it's about for need or for greed. But as someone on the side of making the roll need over greed, the reason why I'm for it is because I think opening it up to greed opens it up to abuse. What I proposed above, inviting 20 guildies to all roll for 1 person's benefit is abused in my mind. The biggest thing tho is that with this agreement, the people that are there all have a play nice agreement that we ALL help the winner kill the giant. We do this based on the assumption that the winner is going to use the item. So if the winner then turns around and sells the item it presents a situation where they basically "used" us to make a bunch of profit. Winning the roll isn't just a bypass of the clickfest, it's the assurance that the collective will help you with the pull and kill. If people want to turn around and greed this or give it to their low level alt I consider that super rude to "use" the people that just lost yet another roll to help them achieve that. It does add an extra layer of salt to what is weeks/months of showing up to these just to keep losing.

That's my opinion anyways. When I started showing up to these the person who was announcing the rules laid out what I thought were acceptable terms. 50+ need rolls, your own hand in, your own loot and based on that everyone would help with the kill. If people want to greed this I say the collective stops helping winners with the kill completely then and THAT ruins the sense of community.

[Legidias]

Originally Posted by LiQuid [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The biggest thing tho is that with this agreement, the people that are there all have a play nice agreement that we ALL help the winner kill the giant. We do this based on the assumption that the winner is going to use the item.

Incorrect. People help the winner because when they win, they also expect people to help them, and then next time they roll for disk (to sell, for guildie, etc), they would also help next winner kill. Its a pay it forward system.
While play nice policy is great, I didnt realize EVERY person on the server goes out of their way to get people BiS gear for no benefit for themselves. Where do I sign up for a free kill force whenever theres gear I need?
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Its not about need vs greed though. Its about being completely open and fair roll vs "I decide who gets to do what with loot".

What about the open dragon raids (which are really great in my opinion). Are you against a whole levelling guild showing up and having 30 people roll on say, white scales? What if they even said they only wanted it to sell and fund their guild adventures?

You cant just start saying who gets what loot. Everyone rolls, anyone can get the loot. Fair is Fair is Fair.