It's Time to Start Allowing for Open Naggy/Vox Raids (open letter to Raiders)

[Breaken]

Originally Posted by Pan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's clearly both. Hence my suggestion (ensure that it gets into the hands of those whose guilds aren't Naggy/Vox capable - or unguilded). And hope that people are honorable about it if we (collectively) decide to do it that way (IF we can agree to do it at all, here).

My point is that you will not be able to control this. Some random unguilded toon will roll and you will not know his affiliation. The question is, does it matter? The point of this open raid is to experience the encounter and have a chance at loot. The same as that unguilded guy that might have an affiliation with a larger guild. Whether it A/A/CSG/PS (they killed Gozzrem and I am sure they do some Vox?) .. As I stated, Awakened has done 1 Vox in over 3 months. Why are you going to deny them a roll on something their guild does not go for?

I don't care what you guys do with your open Vox raid, Awakened is not going to just start batphoning Vox more because of it... But, I am speaking from a logistical stand point. Assume we get to the point where *every* Lady Vox is an open raid. Would you not allow big guilds to join and roll?

[raato]

Originally Posted by Breaken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here in lies the old debate. Why does it matter who rolls/wins the loot? The casual guilds argue that the aren't given the opportunity to see dragons, but then loot is an issue. Well, which is it? Is it the encounter or the loot? I've long known it's both, but many won't admit that.

Like Cloki already said, its clearly both.

But far more important thing than loot or experiencing the encounters for atleast many CSG members and all of the CSG leadership is how we treat and respect each others when playing in the same box. That is why CSG has used petition only as last resort when "top dogs" behaviour and attitude has not changed better or has dramatically changed worse towards the others playing in the same box and competing for the same targets. And that is why CSG often does not batphone targets they find up and contested by smaller raid entities. And that is why CSG never kills any targets to sell the loots.

For example I have refused to take CT loots as concede from Aftermath after they trained us first and then killed CT (which would have caused AM to get suspended if they hadn't offered the loots) to get in rule changes instead to make it a bit less easy to break the rules and just concede to avoid suspension when get caught. And getting the people who are leading the guilds responsible for their guilds actions.

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Removed: All bits dictating what a concession must be, and all bits stating that they must be accepted.

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Other: Added "Please remember that Guild Leaders and/or officers may be held accountable (with personal account suspensions on any/all of their characters) for any actions of their guild members, in addition to any other actions that may be taken by the Staff. It is therefore the responsibility of the Guild Leadership to ensure that all guild members abide by these (and all server) rules.". This is mostly the same thing from the Server Rules (here: http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=132299), but I want to make sure it is seen in both threads, and so players understand this also applies to raid infractions.

[Smurflogik]

I'd love to get in on an open Vox raid. Been chasing a white scale for over 5 years, and casual as I am, there is no end in sight.

[stonez138]

The top raiders on this server are cock blocking assholes. Always have been. I started on the server way before kunark. People trained each other back then over fear/hate trash. Haven't had the slightest desire to raid here since.

[Pyrocat]

Originally Posted by stonez138 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The top raiders on this server are cock blocking assholes. Always have been. I started on the server way before kunark. People trained each other back then over fear/hate trash. Haven't had the slightest desire to raid here since.

Times have changed.

[Cecily]

I heard from a reputable source it's the casuals blocking people now.

[Lhancelot]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I heard from a reputable source it's the casuals blocking people now.

Hey Cecily, I am thinking of trying the whole guild thing again. Where do I apply for <The Best>?

[mcoy]

I've purposely kept one of my alts at 52 (after spending a few months there with Mcoy), with the intention of replacing them with my next highest once they reached it, solely for the purpose of being able to experience V/N again. Tell me who to speak with to help make this happen...

-Mcoy

[Pan]

To answer a tangential question:

I think CSG has done one Naggy in the last few months. A number of Voxes, though. Naggy is always a spectacular shitshow for the some of the reasons mentioned above (among others). Vox is usually a little more sane. Plus Vox helps us with epics whereas Naggy does not (so much - not as many pallies as bards).

Suggest we pick a week - first or last of the month - something regular - and agree to an open raid/time.

I'd really prefer that those in Naggy/Vox-capable guilds only showed in support rather than for loot. Part of the reason for doing this, it seems, is to put epics/dragon loot into the hands of those who might not see it otherwise. Not so much of a win if an AA or CSG alt won a white scale and sold it in EC. Kinda deflating and defeating. Prefer to see it go to an impossibly patient bard.

Just my .02. Whatever we can actually manage to work out along these lines would be a whole lot better than what we have now.

[Lhancelot]

Originally Posted by Pan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

To answer a tangential question:

I think CSG has done one Naggy in the last few months. A number of Voxes, though. Naggy is always a spectacular shitshow for the some of the reasons mentioned above (among others). Vox is usually a little more sane. Plus Vox helps us with epics whereas Naggy does not (so much - not as many pallies as bards).

Suggest we pick a week - first or last of the month - something regular - and agree to an open raid/time.

I'd really prefer that those in Naggy/Vox-capable guilds only showed in support rather than for loot. Part of the reason for doing this, it seems, is to put epics/dragon loot into the hands of those who might not see it otherwise. Not so much of a win if an AA or CSG alt won a white scale and sold it in EC. Kinda deflating and defeating. Prefer to see it go to an impossibly patient bard.

Just my .02. Whatever we can actually manage to work out along these lines would be a whole lot better than what we have now.

Stay gold, Ponyboy, stay gold. <3 Omni. Best part of CSG tbh.