Please Change the Two Boxing Rule

[Messianic]

Originally Posted by Goobles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Awww. Can I at least keep my wife?

My dog wants to play p99 plz k thx

[maegi]

Last time I tried to 2-box , my wife got really pissed off and I eneded up sleeping on the couch for 2 weeks. True story.

[Thetan]

Could always allow boxing during low population hours.

Personally, I don't care, I'm going necro when Kunark comes out and I'll live either way, but I can certainly understand why people who play odd hours, like I will be, would like to have the option to dual box on those off hours.

I multiboxed on live and still made every effort to group, so people saying multiboxing will ruin grouping are fairly clueless or they would realize that if people didn't want to group, they could just pick one of the other Emu servers out there and box up to dozens of toons.

I like MMOs for the interaction with real people and other than Diablo I've never really played any other game like I've played EQ and have been into them since my first one 34 years ago.

I'm guessing people are here for the nostalgia and for me pre-PoP which for me really was the best time in EQ.

To the guy who mentioned people computers not being able to handle multi boxing anyways was also pretty clueless. I was able to dual box quite easily on a Laptop with p3-700 Mhz and 768K of RAM 10 years ago and unless you're in the 3rd world, everyone has a more powerful systems who are playing now. FYI, I could box about 24-30 toons on my current machine.

Either way, I definitely wouldn't go more than dual boxing. You can make a pretty powerful 3 box set with a warrior, cleric and enchanter.

[Messianic]

Originally Posted by Thetan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

people saying multiboxing will ruin grouping are fairly clueless

Based on prior polling, more than half of the server is clueless, then.

http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...ghlight=boxing

I could also say that people who think multiboxing won't have a sizeable negative effect on server culture are fairly clueless and really don't have the experience the guys who run this server have.

or they would realize that if people didn't want to group, they could just pick one of the other Emu servers out there and box up to dozens of toons.

The culture of those servers is plain evidence to the case you're arguing against. The assumption "People play on this server because they want to group, so anyone who would box if they could is already on the other servers" is a pretty silly assumption.

But I won't go any farther in this argument, because its been beaten to death too many times.

In addition to the already provided link:

http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...ht=boxing+rule
http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...ht=boxing+rule
http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...ht=boxing+rule

[Thetan]

That poll was a year ago and the server was relatively new back then I believe.

People constantly prove how clueless they are by the people they elect and adore. Michelle Bachman, Sarah Paylen, etc, if that doesn't prove how clueless lots of people are, I don't know what does.

I'm personally embarrassed by Michelle, she's from my state FFS. The woman constantly lies and misleads and yet she's constantly being brought onto shows to spew her crap.

Either way, I don't care. Remember, Necro. I'm going to be self sufficient when I can't find group and I don't really think the server needs it as there's plenty of what I assume are single boxers.

But who am I to force my feelings and desires on someone else.

[Messianic]

Originally Posted by Thetan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That poll was a year ago and the server was relatively new back then I believe.

People constantly prove how clueless they are by the people they elect and adore. Michelle Bachman, Sarah Paylen, etc, if that doesn't prove how clueless lots of people are, I don't know what does.

I'm personally embarrassed by Michelle, she's from my state FFS. The woman constantly lies and misleads and yet she's constantly being brought onto shows to spew her crap.

Either way, I don't care. Remember, Necro. I'm going to be self sufficient when I can't find group and I don't really think the server needs it as there's plenty of what I assume are single boxers.

But who am I to force my feelings and desires on someone else.

I don't know why politics should even be brought into this - but the mere fact that someone chooses to vote for one of the people you mentioned doesn't "prove" they're clueless. It "proves" in your own mind that they're clueless because they don't see things how you see them. But regardless where you fall on any issue, it's not about people proving themselves clueless (because no objective proof of such exists), its about not being so arrogant as to assume that those who disagree with you are stupid.

[jimthayner]

Originally Posted by Messianic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't know why politics should even be brought into this - but the mere fact that someone chooses to vote for one of the people you mentioned doesn't "prove" they're clueless. It "proves" in your own mind that they're clueless because they don't see things how you see them. But regardless where you fall on any issue, it's not about people proving themselves clueless (because no objective proof of such exists), its about not being so arrogant as to assume that those who disagree with you are stupid.

Couldn't agree more. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't make them retarded. Believing that everyone that disagrees with you is a moron (just because they disagree with you) is the first step to tyranny and megalomania. Now, there is a scientific definition for 'moron' and 'idiot' based on people's rated IQ levels, but not even those are completely objective as there are many different IQ scales and tests.

If you're going to think someone is an idiot, do it for their lack of adherence to coherent fact or other things that are generally 'provable' by science.

[darkblade717]

Having people donate for an IP exemption could result in the loss of real players who use P99 as something they do with a loved one. Plenty of people 2-box now, they just aren't dumb enough to post questions about it on the forums.

[Humerox]

Originally Posted by Thetan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

... I don't really think the server needs it as there's plenty of what I assume are single boxers.

and why is that? i wonder.

if it appeases the pro-boxing population any, it's been made clear that if the server needs changed, so would the rule.

breaking down P99's success to any single factor is ludicrous. but as i've said before, changing something so fundamental to p99 without it being a necessity is - in itself - ludicrous.

2-boxing is purely a convenience, and we're a far cry from it becoming a necessity. the subject might be due more critical examination were we hovering at 100 or so at peak population. and even back in those days, those of us that were here still found groups.

[jimthayner]

After wasting a good hour reading this thread, I've realized that neither side has offered ANY EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE WHAT-SO-EVER to support their side. Neither side has offered me any proof other than idle speculation as to what may or may not happen if we allow/continue to disallow two-boxing.

The anti-two boxers are offereing a lot of theories and anecdotal evidence about how bad it would be (without offering any empirical proof), and the pro-two boxers are basically saying "it would be easier for me to play the game." Neither argument is valid for changing policy, or should even be considered by any group of people that have any amount of common sense or concept of objective decision making.

The only coherent argument made so far is against allowing people to pay money to two box, since Sony probably would try to shut us down if we became a for-profit server.

Just for the record, this entire thread has made anyone who has read it dumber, and I think every single one of you is an idiot that can't quantify what they want and why. And people that can't quantify what they want, and back it up with arguments that use facts that were gathered scientifically, then this should be good enough for you:

THE PEOPLE THAT OWN THIS SERVER SAID ITS NOT OKAY, SO THAT SETTLES IT. You lost your right to question when you failed to do so effectively.

That being said, I'm glad the devs released this server, as I've been trying to find a classic EQ experience for a long time. Hats off to you guys, and the work you do, to maintain this server.