Raiding Guild Behavior

[Pokesan]

If you're not part of the problem i won't allow you to have an opinion

[Maner]

Originally Posted by Pokesan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you're not part of the problem i won't allow you to have an opinion

If you have never participated in the "problem" how do you know there even is one and what qualifies you to comment on how to fix it?

[Pokesan]

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you have never participated in the "problem" how do you know there even is one and what qualifies you to comment on how to fix it?

Does it take a crack addict to know smoking crack is bad? Are they the only party "qualified" to comment on the topic?

[Maner]

Originally Posted by Pokesan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Does it take a crack addict to know smoking crack is bad? Are they the only party "qualified" to comment on the topic?

Because using or not using crack is the same choice as raiding or not raiding on P99? There is a lot that can qualify someone who has never used crack to comment on the detriments that using it can cause. This isnt even close to being a logical comparison.

[Pokesan]

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because using or not using crack is the same choice as raiding or not raiding on P99? There is a lot that can qualify someone who has never used crack to comment on the detriments that using it can cause. This isnt even close to being a logical comparison.

How is it different?

You can't just make assertions without supporting them.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by jcr4990 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

None of the stuff you guys are talking about is the point. The point is Rogean clearly stated if the raid guilds didn't stop acting like children they were going to remove raid content from the game. It's been over 3 years since he made that statement and nothing has changed. Where is the follow up to his promise? Let's make some actual changes and FORCE the toxic players to change their ways or get lost.

That's not what he said at all, though. He threatened to release Velious without content. Velious is already released, so the threat is over. He never said he would remove it.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The reason you don't think I am very intelligent is because i resorted to dumbing down what i wrote so that you could actually comprehend it.

No, the reason I think you're dumb is because you're putting all of this effort into logical fallacies that in no way address the substance of this post. You can belittle me and demean me all you please. It just proves you don't have an argument. You can chase straw men and red herrings all day and get nowhere. I don't care. It just makes you simple and opinionated. Not right. If you need any examples, just read any of that rambling idiocy in your post I partially quoted. Maybe then at least one person will have read it all...

You can keep lashing out at me, but remember one thing: I'm not raiding tonight because I choose not to. You're not raiding tonight because your guild leadership is shit and got you raid suspended.

Again.

[Maner]

Originally Posted by Pokesan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How is it different?

You can't just make assertions without supporting them.

If you have to ask then clearly its beyond you. Multiple test studies and research has gone into the detriments caused by using Crack or substances like it. That research is available in multiple publications for anyone to look up. You can educate yourself to the point that you are extremely informed regarding what crack can and cant do and why someone should want to quit using it.

However the people commenting on the raid scene on these forums have stated that they don't now and actually never have participated in the raid scene the way it currently is. Most of them are still complaining about a raid entity that hasn't existed in over 2 years. The rest complained enough to have the current rules implemented then never even tried to use those rules and left the server for the TLPs.

There is no research out there delving into the P99 raid scene. Because of this the majority of the people speaking are doing so from a place of ignorance. Which is why the majority of their "fixes" to the raid scene are so lackluster and ultimately will never work.

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, the reason I think you're dumb is because you're putting all of this effort into logical fallacies that in no way address the substance of this post. You can belittle me and demean me all you please. It just proves you don't have an argument. You can chase straw men and red herrings all day and get nowhere. I don't care. It just makes you simple and opinionated. Not right. If you need any examples, just read any of that rambling idiocy in your post I partially quoted. Maybe then at least one person will have read it all...

You can keep lashing out at me, but remember one thing: I'm not raiding tonight because I choose not to. You're not raiding tonight because your guild leadership is shit and got you raid suspended.

Again.

I'm not raiding tonight because nothing but maybe ST, and maybe trak would even be in window. Another ignorant comment that just reinforces your lack of comprehension regarding the raid scene. I haven't even logged in to do anything more than camp PS and watch a movie in the last week.

Can you please point out these straw-man and red herring arguments that you claim i am using. If all you see is me calling you a little bitch because you continue to deflect rather than defend your opinions with anything resembling proof or intimate knowledge about the topic. Then you really need to attempt to work on that reading comprehension. I save the personal insults for the end since i know you don't understand what the majority of the message is saying.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can you please point out these straw-man and red herring arguments that you claim i am using.

Do you not realize the irony of your request here? Do you even think before you type?

I think at this point, you've just devolved into flinging poo and have nothing more to add to the raid discussion. You should stop posting here before you embarrass yourself even further.

[aaezil]

Just make it so 3 raid suspensions = guild is dissolved and all members banned. The kids will shape up in no time.