awakened gives up 2 vulaks

[Maner]

Awakened was called out for having a runner past the line and was asked to concede, they refused and according to the rules they should be suspended not allowed to just concede the next 2 spawns.

as per sirken here:

Q3: If we feel our own guild/party has violated a rule, what actions should we take?
A: If you feel that your guild/party has violated a rule, then you need to attempt to make it right. If you forfeit/concede the target being contested within a reasonable amount of time (before the target is killed and looted), the staff will recognize this and not take action against the guild/party in question. The concession or forfeiture of a target should be made by an officer or leader, and should be made in a public channel like “/shout” or “/ooc”, to ensure that everyone sees it. At this point the concession or forfeiture is official and cannot for any reason be rescinded by the offending guild/party, nor can any other guild/party refuse to accept a concession or forfeiture. If you have conceded or forfeited a mob, and another guild petitions you for that mob anyway, they will be punished for wasting the staff’s time. The staff strongly recommends that players take Screen Shots of the text proving the concession or forfeiture of a target has taken place (Note: if any guild/party tries to manipulate the concession or forfeiture of a target for any reason, ie: GuildA kites Dragon1 away from GuildB, then concedes Dragon1 when GuildC is ready to engage the mob, preventing GuildB from engaging, this will be punished. The point of this rule is to correct an error that your guild makes, not to help your pals, or hurt your foes. It is strictly to avoid a raid/guild punishment).

Q4: If we feel another guild/party is breaking raid rules what actions may we take?
A: If you feel another guild/party is breaking a raid rule, it is standard procedure to attempt to work that dispute out with the other guild(s) in question. The staff has decided that the best way to do this is to request the concession or forfeiture of the target in question (if it is still alive) as well as the loots (if the offending party killed the target). We greatly encourage guilds to maintain open lines of communication so that a speedy and civil resolution can be reached during a dispute. If a guild breaks a rule, and refuses to concede or forfeit that target, then have one person gather up the evidence and submit it in a thread under the Petition/Exploit section of the forums. If a guild/party offers to concede/forfeit their attempt at the target, you must accept this. If the target is already killed and they offer up all of the loots to the guild that was wronged, you must accept this. Refusing to accept a concession of the target (pre-death) or forfeiture of the loots (post-death), and then just petitioning them anyway will likely result in action taken against your guild/party, and not theirs. Please always take screen shots of these conversations to prove they actually did occur.

Q5: What about in cases where the mob dies before anyone is sure whom is at fault?
A: In some situations, it’s possible that the mob will be killed before anyone can be certain who are to blame, and so no guild will concede/forfeit. In these situations, the crime has already been committed and the offending guild should concede all the loot to the guild that was wronged, but they will also be forced to not contest for the next two spawns of that mob that is available to them. They can do this by posting in the raid discussion forum, and stating that they will not be competing for the next two spawns of that mob available to them, as well as requesting to have the loots removed. As long as the items have not been turned in, this will be accepted by the staff and not warrant a raid suspension. (Note* if the offending guilds actions effect another guild/party, but do not result in the offending guild getting the kill, they will still be expected to follow the above, except for the loot, as they wouldn’t have it) (Note* please remember items must be looted for us to have proof they existed, if an item is nodrop, a staff member can assist in the transfer to the wronged guild)

Note on Conceding / Forfeiting – You should concede a mob whenever your actions negatively impact another guild’s attempt at a mob, regardless of which zone the mob or the infraction take place in. Also, as far as what to concede / forfeit, if you still have a shot at the current mob, you should concede/forfeit that mob, if you do not still have a chance at the current mob, you should concede/forfeit the next two (it’s silly to try and concede a mob after you no longer have a real chance to kill that mob.

Note on Crying Wolf – if you request that another guild concede a mob, you better be 100% certain that they made an error, because if you make another guild concede/forfeit a mob under false pretenses you will be punished harshly.

Note on Lockouts – if you concede a mob, or are suspended from a mob, those mobs will not be the mobs you are locked out from, they will be in addition to the mobs you are locked out from.

Note on Rule Lawyering – I think the spirit of everything we are trying to accomplish here is pretty clear, and anyone that tries to twist the words to support and/or justify nefarious actions that go against the spirit of the rules posted here will not be rewarded. There will be no “technically this could be that”, or “well it doesn’t exactly say this word for word”.

http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=189856

You were told your runner was off the line at the start, and refused to listen. You killed the target and now are conceding the next 2 which is directly against the posted rules. 10+ day suspension or the guides really are full of shit.

Are you also conceding the vulak loot as per the rules?