Setting Tranny Clincs ablaze is no longer a hate crime in Canada

[fash]

Originally Posted by AzzarTheGod [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you want answers to those questions you'd want to consult a historian who is also a Roman Empire expert.

This is a major focus of study for even doctoral candidates who study and examine the Roman Empire. The political questions of our time were the same exact questions of their time, in regards to social welfare and homosexuality. Nero for example was the first one to coin the idea of Foodstamps by using tattoos and Roman citizen identification marks (mark of the beast).

That's a tangent. But homosexuality was one of the issues that the Roman Empire decided to try to tackle, because it had been legal for so long. The question is why did they determine that homosexuality was bad? That's where I'd be looking.

I doubt you will find anyone here equipped enough to field your question from a historical standpoint. The history of other advanced civilizations and homosexuality is probably the best starting point to begin to answer the questions you asked.

Rome has a lot to teach. Homosexuality started out as legal, and was widely accepted among politicians and elites until the final years of the Empire. In the final years, it was outlawed. Why?

Funny you mention foodstamps and homos in Rome. I've been meaning to go back and do more research into the details of the state of Rome's society and its economic state as it declined. In addition to homosexuality, I've read a number of articles stating that the welfare state in Rome grew out of control (free food handouts, foodstamps, etc) as it declined causing massive inflation in its currency (many parallels to America's trajectory since the new deal in the 30s).

[Nihilist_santa]

Originally Posted by fash [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Funny you mention foodstamps and homos in Rome. I've been meaning to go back and do more research into the details of the state of Rome's society and its economic state as it declined.

I recommend Gibbon's The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire

[fash]

This became a wall of text, and I'm late now. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] TL;DR: Transgenderism has a heavy influence in our society today, most alarmingly on impressionable young children. The sexes have important and necessary gender roles in a successful society. Transgenderism is a reality-detached mental illness that is antithetical to those gender roles, the family, and acceptance of reality.

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why not answer the questions? ^^

I mentioned PBS's Growing Up Trans documentary because the normalization of child abuse in an audio/visual medium will evoke in you a visceral reaction that can't be conveyed here.

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You don't know every person who is a tranny and there are many who you'd never know of unless they told you.

Trannies aren't ninjas (don't google "tranny ninjas". just did). Do you interact with any trannies on a regular basis? I've worked at progressive, socially-egalitarian software development corporations. 5-10% of my coworkers are gay, and 1-2% are trannies. A wig, lipstick, and practiced mannerisms might trick you at a distance or even in a still picture, but if you sit down with, converse with, or interact with a tranny, warning signals will go off in your brain. They aren't fooling everyone. Don't underestimate humans' pattern recognition capability.

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What effect do you feel it has on the community if the community is unaware of it? I am talking about individuals, not the concept.

(The question still isn't clear. I don't know if you're proposing a hypothetical scenario or talking about today's society. Also, the question seems fall to the common libertarian trap that individuals don't affect society.)

Assuming you're describing a hypothetical scenario where any trannies keep their mental illness and deviance entirely private, then the entire community is unaware of them. In that case, it may not be a significant issue. The society either isn't plagued by the mental illness or it is properly stigmatized as a mental illness and those suffering from it keep it sufficiently private. But it also depends on the nature of the state. If we live in the fictional ancapistan with no state, and you want to privately put on a dress, hack off your dick, and have sex with guys in your basement away from my family, okay, fine. The libertarian would say that's kosher. However, if we're talking about reality where we have a state, then I and other productive members of society have to pay taxes for your hormones, dick chopping, and/or suicide prevention/cleanup, and that's a burden on society.

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What effect do you feel it has on the community if it is aware of it and nothing more? If they don't push an agenda as you asserted they would (again referencing individuals)

This is the same as question 1. Clarify if I'm misunderstanding your questions.

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What effect do you feel it has on the community if activists ran daily ads promoting dick chopping? I've not seen the program and it may be awful, but it is clearly not an ad for dick chopping. Without seeing it I can be certain of that.

There are dick chopping ads everywhere, though they aren't that overt. You haven't seen the effects of tranny lobbyist in academia, elementary schools, media, or policies? Haven't seen professional psychologists (and their children), journalists, and even feminists attacked by tranny lobbyists for publishing information counter to the tranny narrative? Or heard about 14-year-old transgender youtube celebrity Jazz Jennings taking hormone blockers to delay male puberty who appears on Oprah, has her own reality TV series, and is on acne commercials? Or 8-year-old transgendered children, some admittedly influenced by Jazz Jennings? The transgender community has a strong influence on children in media.

It's one thing to have an illness and seek help. It's another thing entirely to normalize illness to the point that it becomes a "community", one that pushes their agenda in the media and influences otherwise normal, impressionable children to believe they are born in the wrong body, develop dysphoria, and undergo irreversible surgery/hormones ruining their lives. The rhetoric and "medicine" they push onto children now are sickening.

Children become more distressed and gender dysphoric when they see therapists and authority figures who impress upon them that they belong to the opposite sex. Despite research showing 75% of children with transgender feelings spontaneously lose those feelings as they grow up, impressionable children are encouraged toward this and put on hormones to delay puberty until they can get a sex change. That's depraved child abuse (I refer you again to the Growing Up Trans documentary)

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The reason I ask these questions is to identify what the problem is. Aside from degeneracy, what are you worried about? You think multitudes of people will choose to become transgender? It doesn't work that way. You don't choose to be transgender anymore than you choose to be gay or straight.

Why do you think being a degenerate force to society is not sufficient? That's exactly the problem. It harms gender roles and the integrity of the family, and therefore the future of a people.

A large part of sexual orientation is environment. It's not entirely genetic. The gay lobby pushes the "it's not a choice" narrative for their agenda. You can find research disputing it, including twin studies. But in any case, sexual orientation is different than reality-detached transgender mental illnesses. Normalizing mental illness and then indoctrinating developing children into that belief does not make it a choice.

John Hopkins doesn't do the surgery anymore because it is not considered to be the best treatment path. Former psychiatrist in chief Dr Paul McHugh

Sex change is biologically impossible. People who undergo sex-reassignment surgery do not change from men to women or vice versa. Rather, they become feminized men or masculinized women. Claiming that this is a civil-rights matter and encouraging surgical intervention is in reality to collaborate with and promote a mental disorder.

These people are mentally ill with some sexual issues, perhaps even deserving sympathy. However, normalizing this mental illness and imposing it on others goes too far. People have norms that have resulted in successful civilizations.

We live in reality. The binary genders are a social constructs and are built upon biological sexes and their roles in society. The transgender agenda denies that reality. A male playing dress up with mutilated genitals that resemble the opposite sex isn't congruent to a woman. It's factually untrue, and people don't owe it to you to accept your reality-detached mental illness and deviance.

Nobody owes it to anyone to affirm their neuroses anymore than we should affirm the belief of mentally ill who identify as disabled (body integrity identity disorder) that have their doctor pour Drano into their eyes, who believe in trans-dragonism, or believe in trans-ageism. Healthy people come to understand reality, adapt to reality, and even improve it. Sick people mutilate their body to make reality conform to their own delusions.

Sex change is impossible, and for some the grim reality sinks in only after irreversible mutilation, explaining why so many of them commit suicide even after a surgery. Once they have exhausted all possible means to make their delusion reality, they realize the reality is inescapable, and they end their lives face the oppression of reality.

[Lune]

Originally Posted by fash [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This became a wall of text, and I'm late now. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] TL;DR: Transgenderism has a heavy influence in our society today, most alarmingly on impressionable young children. The sexes have important and necessary gender roles in a successful society. Transgenderism is a reality-detached mental illness that is antithetical to those gender roles, the family, and acceptance of reality.

I mentioned PBS's Growing Up Trans documentary because the normalization of child abuse in an audio/visual medium will evoke in you a visceral reaction that can't be conveyed here.

Trannies aren't ninjas (don't google "tranny ninjas". just did). Do you interact with any trannies on a regular basis? I've worked at progressive, socially-egalitarian software development corporations. 5-10% of my coworkers are gay, and 1-2% are trannies. A wig, lipstick, and practiced mannerisms might trick you at a distance or even in a still picture, but if you sit down with, converse with, or interact with a tranny, warning signals will go off in your brain. They aren't fooling everyone. Don't underestimate humans' pattern recognition capability.




(The question still isn't clear. I don't know if you're proposing a hypothetical scenario or talking about today's society. Also, the question seems fall to the common libertarian trap that individuals don't affect society.)

Assuming you're describing a hypothetical scenario where any trannies keep their mental illness and deviance entirely private, then the entire community is unaware of them. In that case, it may not be a significant issue. The society either isn't plagued by the mental illness or it is properly stigmatized as a mental illness and those suffering from it keep it sufficiently private. But it also depends on the nature of the state. If we live in the fictional ancapistan with no state, and you want to privately put on a dress, hack off your dick, and have sex with guys in your basement away from my family, okay, fine. The libertarian would say that's kosher. However, if we're talking about reality where we have a state, then I and other productive members of society have to pay taxes for your hormones, dick chopping, and/or suicide prevention/cleanup, and that's a burden on society.




This is the same as question 1. Clarify if I'm misunderstanding your questions.




There are dick chopping ads everywhere, though they aren't that overt. You haven't seen the effects of tranny lobbyist in academia, elementary schools, media, or policies? Haven't seen professional psychologists (and their children), journalists, and even feminists attacked by tranny lobbyists for publishing information counter to the tranny narrative? Or heard about 14-year-old transgender youtube celebrity Jazz Jennings taking hormone blockers to delay male puberty who appears on Oprah, has her own reality TV series, and is on acne commercials? Or 8-year-old transgendered children, some admittedly influenced by Jazz Jennings? The transgender community has a strong influence on children in media.

It's one thing to have an illness and seek help. It's another thing entirely to normalize illness to the point that it becomes a "community", one that pushes their agenda in the media and influences otherwise normal, impressionable children to believe they are born in the wrong body, develop dysphoria, and undergo irreversible surgery/hormones ruining their lives. The rhetoric and "medicine" they push onto children now are sickening.

Children become more distressed and gender dysphoric when they see therapists and authority figures who impress upon them that they belong to the opposite sex. Despite research showing 75% of children with transgender feelings spontaneously lose those feelings as they grow up, impressionable children are encouraged toward this and put on hormones to delay puberty until they can get a sex change. That's depraved child abuse (I refer you again to the Growing Up Trans documentary)




Why do you think being a degenerate force to society is not sufficient? That's exactly the problem. It harms gender roles and the integrity of the family, and therefore the future of a people.

A large part of sexual orientation is environment. It's not entirely genetic. The gay lobby pushes the "it's not a choice" narrative for their agenda. You can find research disputing it, including twin studies. But in any case, sexual orientation is different than reality-detached transgender mental illnesses. Normalizing mental illness and then indoctrinating developing children into that belief does not make it a choice.

John Hopkins doesn't do the surgery anymore because it is not considered to be the best treatment path. Former psychiatrist in chief Dr Paul McHugh


These people are mentally ill with some sexual issues, perhaps even deserving sympathy. However, normalizing this mental illness and imposing it on others goes too far. People have norms that have resulted in successful civilizations.

We live in reality. The binary genders are a social constructs and are built upon biological sexes and their roles in society. The transgender agenda denies that reality. A male playing dress up with mutilated genitals that resemble the opposite sex isn't congruent to a woman. It's factually untrue, and people don't owe it to you to accept your reality-detached mental illness and deviance.

Nobody owes it to anyone to affirm their neuroses anymore than we should affirm the belief of mentally ill who identify as disabled (body integrity identity disorder) that have their doctor pour Drano into their eyes, who believe in trans-dragonism, or believe in trans-ageism. Healthy people come to understand reality, adapt to reality, and even improve it. Sick people mutilate their body to make reality conform to their own delusions.

Sex change is impossible, and for some the grim reality sinks in only after irreversible mutilation, explaining why so many of them commit suicide even after a surgery. Once they have exhausted all possible means to make their delusion reality, they realize the reality is inescapable, and they end their lives face the oppression of reality.

Didn't read all this but if you want to talk about mental illness, let's talk about Christianity and climate science denial. Hicks out there trying to destroy the planet are a bigger threat to your 'family' than some transsexuals just trying to do their own thing.

I'll agree to ban trannies if republicans agree to quit being retards about environmental issues.

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Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Didn't read all this but if you want to talk about mental illness, let's talk about Christianity and climate science denial. Hicks out there trying to destroy the planet are a bigger threat to your 'family' than some transsexuals just trying to do their own thing.

I'll agree to ban trannies if republicans agree to quit being retards about environmental issues.

Sounds like a good deal actually.

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hicks out there trying to destroy the planet are a bigger threat to your 'family' than some transsexuals just trying to do their own thing.

We wouldn't be having this discussion if transsexuals were simply out their doing their own thing.

[big_ole_jpn]

Originally Posted by fash [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This became a wall of text, and I'm late now. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] TL;DR: Transgenderism has a heavy influence in our society today, most alarmingly on impressionable young children. The sexes have important and necessary gender roles in a successful society. Transgenderism is a reality-detached mental illness that is antithetical to those gender roles, the family, and acceptance of reality.



I mentioned PBS's Growing Up Trans documentary because the normalization of child abuse in an audio/visual medium will evoke in you a visceral reaction that can't be conveyed here.




Trannies aren't ninjas (don't google "tranny ninjas". just did). Do you interact with any trannies on a regular basis? I've worked at progressive, socially-egalitarian software development corporations. 5-10% of my coworkers are gay, and 1-2% are trannies. A wig, lipstick, and practiced mannerisms might trick you at a distance or even in a still picture, but if you sit down with, converse with, or interact with a tranny, warning signals will go off in your brain. They aren't fooling everyone. Don't underestimate humans' pattern recognition capability.




(The question still isn't clear. I don't know if you're proposing a hypothetical scenario or talking about today's society. Also, the question seems fall to the common libertarian trap that individuals don't affect society.)

Assuming you're describing a hypothetical scenario where any trannies keep their mental illness and deviance entirely private, then the entire community is unaware of them. In that case, it may not be a significant issue. The society either isn't plagued by the mental illness or it is properly stigmatized as a mental illness and those suffering from it keep it sufficiently private. But it also depends on the nature of the state. If we live in the fictional ancapistan with no state, and you want to privately put on a dress, hack off your dick, and have sex with guys in your basement away from my family, okay, fine. The libertarian would say that's kosher. However, if we're talking about reality where we have a state, then I and other productive members of society have to pay taxes for your hormones, dick chopping, and/or suicide prevention/cleanup, and that's a burden on society.




This is the same as question 1. Clarify if I'm misunderstanding your questions.




There are dick chopping ads everywhere, though they aren't that overt. You haven't seen the effects of tranny lobbyist in academia, elementary schools, media, or policies? Haven't seen professional psychologists (and their children), journalists, and even feminists attacked by tranny lobbyists for publishing information counter to the tranny narrative? Or heard about 14-year-old transgender youtube celebrity Jazz Jennings taking hormone blockers to delay male puberty who appears on Oprah, has her own reality TV series, and is on acne commercials? Or 8-year-old transgendered children, some admittedly influenced by Jazz Jennings? The transgender community has a strong influence on children in media.

It's one thing to have an illness and seek help. It's another thing entirely to normalize illness to the point that it becomes a "community", one that pushes their agenda in the media and influences otherwise normal, impressionable children to believe they are born in the wrong body, develop dysphoria, and undergo irreversible surgery/hormones ruining their lives. The rhetoric and "medicine" they push onto children now are sickening.

Children become more distressed and gender dysphoric when they see therapists and authority figures who impress upon them that they belong to the opposite sex. Despite research showing 75% of children with transgender feelings spontaneously lose those feelings as they grow up, impressionable children are encouraged toward this and put on hormones to delay puberty until they can get a sex change. That's depraved child abuse (I refer you again to the Growing Up Trans documentary)




Why do you think being a degenerate force to society is not sufficient? That's exactly the problem. It harms gender roles and the integrity of the family, and therefore the future of a people.

A large part of sexual orientation is environment. It's not entirely genetic. The gay lobby pushes the "it's not a choice" narrative for their agenda. You can find research disputing it, including twin studies. But in any case, sexual orientation is different than reality-detached transgender mental illnesses. Normalizing mental illness and then indoctrinating developing children into that belief does not make it a choice.

John Hopkins doesn't do the surgery anymore because it is not considered to be the best treatment path. Former psychiatrist in chief Dr Paul McHugh


These people are mentally ill with some sexual issues, perhaps even deserving sympathy. However, normalizing this mental illness and imposing it on others goes too far. People have norms that have resulted in successful civilizations.

We live in reality. The binary genders are a social constructs and are built upon biological sexes and their roles in society. The transgender agenda denies that reality. A male playing dress up with mutilated genitals that resemble the opposite sex isn't congruent to a woman. It's factually untrue, and people don't owe it to you to accept your reality-detached mental illness and deviance.

Nobody owes it to anyone to affirm their neuroses anymore than we should affirm the belief of mentally ill who identify as disabled (body integrity identity disorder) that have their doctor pour Drano into their eyes, who believe in trans-dragonism, or believe in trans-ageism. Healthy people come to understand reality, adapt to reality, and even improve it. Sick people mutilate their body to make reality conform to their own delusions.

Sex change is impossible, and for some the grim reality sinks in only after irreversible mutilation, explaining why so many of them commit suicide even after a surgery. Once they have exhausted all possible means to make their delusion reality, they realize the reality is inescapable, and they end their lives face the oppression of reality.

thats a lot of words by a guy forum named "fash"

did not even attempt a read

[Daywolf]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Didn't read all this but if you want to talk about mental illness, let's talk about Christianity and climate science denial. Hicks out there trying to destroy the planet are a bigger threat to your 'family' than some transsexuals just trying to do their own thing.

I'll agree to ban trannies if republicans agree to quit being retards about environmental issues.

ts;dr? I read it, I was tempted to stick it into google search to see if it was plagiarized. Nice post, fash.

Edit: btw not saying I agree with every point, nor disagree, but that it's a good post and worthy of a read if replying with some counter.

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by fash [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We wouldn't be having this discussion if transsexuals were simply out their doing their own thing.

Well shit, I was struggling through that wall point by point with an uncooperative device and lost it all ;n; As I worked through it though I noticed most if not all of your issues were with leftism in general. This one post answers all my questions though ^^ Ty for taking the time to explain though.

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well shit, I was struggling through that wall point by point with an uncooperative device and lost it all ;n; As I worked through it though I noticed most if not all of your issues were with leftism in general. This one post answers all my questions though ^^ Ty for taking the time to explain though.

That happened to me once on another forum. But it was a lost post due to the forum doing a data rollback, not because of a device.

I rage posted about it and then despite the mod and someone else asking me to rewrite (it was regarding some legal matters and advice) I scorned them and didn't return for a full year.

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by AzzarTheGod [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That happened to me once on another forum. But it was a lost post due to the forum doing a data rollback, not because of a device.

I rage posted about it and then despite the mod and someone else asking me to rewrite (it was regarding some legal matters and advice) I scorned them and didn't return for a full year.

Hmmmm, should I go and do alike?