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[HippoNipple]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're arguing against something that might happen. So am I. All my list is saying is that trans people at risk for violence simply for existing in the wrong place at the wrong time (looking female in a men's bathroom much?). The same thing is true of being a woman and rape (wrong place wrong time), and quite frankly I don't wanna argue about this anymore. I appreciate what you said about being a tranny is hard. That's way more empathy than I expect from anyone here and let's just leave it at that.

The only reason people oppose it is because it would put women in the wrong place at the wrong time more often.

Transgender violence and hate crimes is a separate issue.

Saying male/female segregated locker rooms and bathrooms is a result of big government regulation is absurd. It is the same reason we have male and female prisons segregated. Race segregation was bad and we evolved but I will not be convinced that male and female segregation in certain circumstances isn't necessary (sports, bathrooms, prison, etc.).

[maerilith]

Originally Posted by HippoNipple [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The only reason people oppose it is because it would put women in the wrong place at the wrong time more often.

Transgender violence and hate crimes is a separate issue.

Saying male/female segregated locker rooms and bathrooms is a result of big government regulation is absurd. It is the same reason we have male and female prisons segregated. Race segregation was bad and we evolved but I will not be convinced that male and female segregation in certain circumstances isn't necessary (sports, bathrooms, prison, etc.).

Except this hasn't been the problem. They shouldn't be telling transexuals ftm or mtf what bathroom to use , they should allow every citizen to use their judgment like we have been and people should be educated and aware of the dangers and safety issues, but people shouldn't be discriminated against over each others beliefs. That IMO is what is in the best interest of everyone and the American spirit.

Women aren't the weaker sex needing the protecting you think they need. And transexuals are women... by all sane medical estimations. So making a transsexual MTF woman go into an unsafe situation is very un-gentlemanly of you. The only cognative disonence here is you think that women are less and some women aren't women at all. Which is actually incorrect no matter how much I can prove to you outside of you guys really wouldn't clock me outside of the fact that I had transitioned b4 2 and a half years ago and had been out as runlvlzero.

But right now trans people are being lynched in the media and in public by people who just want something to be afraid of and angry about without using reason [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hipponipple, do you honestly think I'm a dangerous predatory person? Or a kind good hearted soul that just wants to make my way in the world and help figure all this out somehow? Yeah I can be really angry, but take that with a grain of salt, I'm no more angry then a soldier who listens to someone talk about how evil it is to defend America.

I honestly don't think you wish me any harm or even have any genuinely deep anger at me (outside I can be a bergging out retard who is a bully) but. I honestly think you are a good person at heart. But it's not cool when people get all trolling and posting lots of horrible stuff to justify the trolling and bullying and fear.

[Cecily]

"The only reason people oppose it is because it would put women in the wrong place at the wrong time more often."

Can you see how I take it as sacrificing one group's safety for another?

"Transgender violence and hate crimes is a separate issue."

I can't agree with you there.

[HippoNipple]

No one said they were scared of you. They don't want laws put in place to force private businesses to set up their bathrooms the way that makes you feel secure because they think it will be a safety issue for women. The safety issue isn't with people that decide to cut their dicks off, you would just be the cause of the law being put in place.

[HippoNipple]

A similar argument could be transgenders feel awkward in segregated prisons. It is a scenario you should be able to better grasp and see the dangers but fundamentally the same problem.

[maerilith]

So you think it's very cool that walmart decides who is a man or woman and shouldn't be allowed to have alternate accommodations?

Also part of the NC law essentially banned unisex bathrooms and locker rooms in government facilities and schools and private stalls that aren't gendered. Essentially forcing students and people to either use a private bathroom not open to the public of the facility (the teachers) or use a gendered bathroom. The law actually removes the one option institutions had for providing a safe place for transsexuals and gender non conforming people forcing them into one of the incorrect bathrooms based on a religious and unscientific belief process.

Anyway I have had no problems using the womens bathroom at my school or anywhere else at the VA hospital. So thats yet more evidence I feel like this is so dumb. Also say a facility only has one "staff" bathroom, the law would make it against the rules for that bathroom to be a public bathroom... essentially what this does away with is public freedom of choice.

The people who are having the issues and mental breakdown over the the bathrooms (which is not transexuals mind you were mostly quiet and chill about this and didn't lobby for these laws) are the ones that have the right to stay the fuck out of a public bathroom with whom they don't perceive as whatever gender and use the private bathroom in the back. That is actually the American way.

But we've really lost sight of what it is to be free in this country outside of protecting the special interests of people, that I absolutely agree with.

[Cecily]

Originally Posted by HippoNipple [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No one said they were scared of you. They don't want laws put in place to force private businesses to set up their bathrooms the way that makes you feel secure because they think it will be a safety issue for women.

I don't want them to either. But if I have a F on my license, I'm legally female and not going into the men's restroom regardless what some backwater Southern yokel lawmakers have to say about it.

[Cecily]

If the card says otherwise, it's good enough to go pee.

[HippoNipple]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't want them to either. But if I have a F on my license, I'm legally female and not going into the men's restroom regardless what some backwater Southern yokel lawmakers have to say about it.

That is fine by me. I don't really care about that. I just don't want it to be okay for a rapist male to go into the bathroom with my daughter. Transgenders are the reason for the law being changed, I'm not scared of the transgenders themselves.

[Cecily]

Originally Posted by HippoNipple [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That is fine by me. I don't really care about that. I just don't want it to be okay for a rapist male to go into the bathroom with my daughter. Transgenders are the reason for the law being changed, I'm not scared of the transgenders themselves.

I just feel that this discussion, nationwide, and all the related fear mongering might actually make that more prone to happening than if we had just let a functional system alone. With all my heart, I hope that's a scenario that never happens to your family or anyone you care about.