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[Maner]

Originally Posted by bktroost [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, the work is sitting there at the front line waiting to FTE. The very reason a lot of people to play this game is to experience the dungeon crawling experience that results in an awesome kill on a boss with shineys.

Get rid of that FTE battle and 16 hours of waiting and there is no work...because it is a game...where we shouldn't have to work.

No, this is clearly the reason you play the game. Dungeon crawling sounds like an entire waste of my time when we can TL pull a dragon to the zone in and kill it in 5min as opposed to 1 hour. I would much rather use that 55min to get ahead in work for the next week, watch a movie, or play some other game while waiting for the next batphone.

[ArumTP]

An hour and CSG couldn't even dungeon crawl and kill ikitar, the closest NTOV dragon. How do you guys expect to dungeon crawl and kill triplets or sisters?

[Sweettouch]

Originally Posted by ArumTP [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

An hour and CSG couldn't even dungeon crawl and kill ikitar, the closest NTOV dragon. How do you guys expect to dungeon crawl and kill triplets or sisters?

Because Asgard didn't struggle at all until they sucked off Forsaken nonstop...They learn by trial and error like anyone else you retard

[jcr4990]

Originally Posted by bktroost [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

because it is a game...where we shouldn't have to work.

We all lose sight of this far too often (myself included) and its kinda sad. Post after post after post of how these "casual scum" need to "earn" their pixels and "put in the work" and all that shit. Everyone forgets this is a fucking video game and treating it like a literal job shouldn't be required to see all the content.

[Swish]

Originally Posted by jcr4990 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We all lose sight of this far too often (myself included) and its kinda sad. Post after post after post of how these "casual scum" need to "earn" their pixels and "put in the work" and all that shit. Everyone forgets this is a fucking video game and treating it like a literal job shouldn't be required to see all the content.

You lost sight of it 2 minutes ago in the next thread down. Pull yourself together man.

[ArumTP]

Originally Posted by Sweettouch [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because Asgard didn't struggle at all until they sucked off Forsaken nonstop...They learn by trial and error like anyone else you retard

Quit being such a bitchy disgruntled BDA member, I'm certain someday you might get some TOV action yourself.

My question still is legitimate. If Ikitar can't get done in an hour how can they aspire to get past the assload of flury drakes and other TOV trash in an hour

[bktroost]

Originally Posted by ArumTP [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Quit being such a bitchy disgruntled BDA member, I'm certain someday you might get some TOV action yourself.

My question still is legitimate. If Ikitar can't get done in an hour how can they aspire to get past the assload of flury drakes and other TOV trash in an hour

We cothed to PoM, were trained 5 times, killed a flurry drake, two guardian wurms, logged to alts to kill Sev, logged back and killed Cekenar in under 90 minutes. About 60 of that was recovery from wiped to backwash.

When we did ikitiar, we were trained three times. Once in 4 way and three times at eashan stairs. We trained ourselves two additional times. I have 60 minutes of fraps from multiple people that clearly shows mobs that should not be there being trained on us. I replicated our movements in our private server and there was, without a doubt, 3 foreign trains.

But right now this is all so silly. It's two raid styles that cannot coexist in one zone. We are working on trying to adapt without going completely down the rabbit hole. Hopefully both sides can find a place in the middle.

[Tupakk]

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, this is clearly the reason you play the game. Dungeon crawling sounds like an entire waste of my time when we can TL pull a dragon to the zone in and kill it in 5min as opposed to 1 hour. I would much rather use that 55min to get ahead in work for the next week, watch a movie, or play some other game while waiting for the next batphone.

Why would you not want to crawl? Waiting around for batphones is like watching paint dry. Also you can vest in another game if something pops back to back then you would be sacrificing that game for this one.

Crawl Clear Kill Loot. Rinse and repeat.

[Maner]

Originally Posted by Tupakk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why would you not want to crawl? Waiting around for batphones is like watching paint dry. Also you can vest in another game if something pops back to back then you would be sacrificing that game for this one.

Crawl Clear Kill Loot. Rinse and repeat.

2 weeks ago for example I spent over 10 hours face tracking one mob in tov. I was playing division and watching some stream on twitch at the same time due to having 2 monitors and arranging my windows so I am looking directly at the mobs spawn. And I got 3 days ahead on work so that I can take a 3 day weekend this week if I choose to. Its not like I cant pause division or stop doing work that isn't due for another week when the bat phone goes off. However once I finish with an encounter I can go right back to what I was doing, which wouldn't be possible if you had to crawl and clear to a target, and then the next target because of how variance is you would be more likely to be clearing for 5-10 hours straight.

Dungeon crawling is a great excuse as to why you think the server raid rules should be changed. However unless you were one of the original developers, who are you to comment on the current raid scene and if its a exploitation of mechanics. Most speed runners pick games and then break them in order to speed run, and the developers for a vast majority of those games are amazed not upset by how the runners do it. think that this somehow goes against how the game was designed is a joke, as perhaps they developers would be impressed by what is happening and encourage the outside the box thinking.

[Cecily]

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

2 weeks ago for example I spent over 10 hours face tracking one mob in tov. I was playing division and watching some stream on twitch at the same time due to having 2 monitors and arranging my windows so I am looking directly at the mobs spawn. And I got 3 days ahead on work so that I can take a 3 day weekend this week if I choose to. Its not like I cant pause division or stop doing work that isn't due for another week when the bat phone goes off. However once I finish with an encounter I can go right back to what I was doing, which wouldn't be possible if you had to crawl and clear to a target, and then the next target because of how variance is you would be more likely to be clearing for 5-10 hours straight.

Sounds like you enjoy Everquest.