Nostalrius shut down

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't see how it can avoid it.... particularly if their business model is "make money" however possible.

I think most people would rather have some Vanilla WoW servers more than do pet battles or whatever stupid shit goes on these days for $$

From my industry understanding, legacy servers/classic servers are a hard sell to management because it involves acknowledging that your current product is not the best product.

The design goal is to make every expansion a better version of the game. Progression is as far as SOE would go. You will never see legacy servers for Blizzard.

For this reason, you will not see legacy servers unless Blizzard is in financial trouble with WoW.

[Swish]

Originally Posted by AzzarTheGod [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The design goal is to make every expansion a better version of the game.

If they haven't realized that this hasn't been happening for at least 3 expansions I think they're doomed.

To those of us that quit after/during WotLK, seeing "kung fu panda" monks appear was just funny. I knew (or at least felt) then that I shouldn't be playing a kids game and that at 30ish it was probably time to move on. Oh hey P99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Doors]

I had multiple 60s on Nost including one of the first alliance level 60s.

Pre 1.4 mount, played with Nilbog and had a guild of p99er's when the server launched.

This was by far the best emulated server I have ever played on, with the exception of p99.

They did an incredible job making damn near every single quest functional. Raids were done well too. I would argue this was a better experience than live WoW when it launched back in 2004 because there were so many more people. World PVP was the shit and it was nonstop everywhere on nost.

It's sad how down the drain Blizzard has gone. Current live WoW is an abortion of a game. Garrisons have completely ruined any chance of salvaging it too. They could have just made Garrisons a mini game on iPads or something because right now, there is no reason at all to ever leave your Garrison. And prior to this zone phasing was also the beginning of the end. The game feels hollow and empty anymore. I renew once a year to check things out with wishful thinking that the game might turn around but am disappointed and cancel my subscription within a day or two every time.

Legacy servers would have been the only thing that brought me back but after this, I will never play their version of WoW again. This is bullshit in my opinion. Nost was a huge community and they did this because they want those players to sub so they can make more money. They're too idiotic to realize their current product is awful which is why something like Nost became so big.

RIP the good times there playing with my p99 pals.

[Rec]

We need russia to take over canada so we can get good ping and host a server there

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Maybe it'll just take subscriber numbers to tail right off, but I think they'd do it if people put in for $8-10/month and there was enough interest (which there is).

It takes project failure to admit your design isn't the best, so yes, it takes subscriber numbers to tumble. Hard.

And then management has to say well whats in the budget for next expac?? If the damage is big enough they consider alternatives. It usually doesn't get past the consideration stage because another top project lead interjects "Yeah but we can make a GREAT expac, that old design sucks donkey dique". It would take 2 WoW expacs failing miserably back to back with huge budgets with 50%+ tumbles in subs to even get classic servers in the conversation imo, and then an additional 2 failed expacs to enter more serious talks about doing classic servers.

And the saga continues from there.

We are very far away from a classic server at this point. SOE sold before taking one drop of any classic money, and to date, they will not do it.

[Tann]

a former lead designer for vanilla wow chimed in

https://www.change.org/p/mike-morhai...ty/c/434305499

I was the team lead for vanilla WoW (@grummz on twitter to see that its really me). People have been asking for my thoughts on the Nostalrius servers.

After giving it a lot of thought, I feel Blizzard could have found a way to support these significant fan efforts to bring back vanilla servers, rather than resorting to scary legal tactics. Blizzard, these gamers are not your enemy, they are some of your greatest supporters. Hire them, but them out. Almost 900,000 players say they want to see this. Don't ignore them. Don't tell them "You think you do, but you don't" and instead tell them "we love you guys and we want to thank you for your fandom." My suggestions:

1) You say you lost the original source for vanilla, so use Nostralus' version.
2) Hire the team that did it and let them run/support the service under the Blizzard banner.
3) Add cloud based support so people can spin up private legacy servers on Bnet, chose an expansion, and play with their friends.
4) Profit. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Mike, I helped build this game for you, I hope you'll hear me out. Support these fans and dedicated gamers.

[Daywolf]

"You say you lost the original source for vanilla, so use Nostralus' version"
They couldn't do that, big time legal reasons. They shouldn't do that, technical issues. They never lost the old backups, that would be a total lie on their part. Even if they got rid of their house backups, which is unlikely, a lawyer has the original source/s locked in a vault for copyright defense purposes, guaranteed.

[Swish]

RE: the loss of old files... SOE managed to lose the original vanilla EQ files didn't it? Or was that some kind of "sorry, not doing it" get out as well?

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

RE: the loss of old files... SOE managed to lose the original vanilla EQ files didn't it? Or was that some kind of "sorry, not doing it" get out as well?

Just propaganda.

You guys have no idea how disrespectful "classic" servers are to current project leaders do you?

Originally Posted by Tann [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

a former lead designer for vanilla wow chimed in

https://www.change.org/p/mike-morhai...ty/c/434305499

This has been stated by Dave Georgeson himself, an industry insider and project leader for SOE / Daybreak of the EQ franchise. How could a classic server be better than current evolving cutting edge design? Its the anathema to everything a gaming corporation stands for. Not sure why nerds year after year can't wrap their head around this?



Management would never allow it unless in dire financial straights, worse financial straights than Daybreak even...

You can't run a classic server without admitting current design is not THE ultimate design. It has NEVER happened, and will NEVER happen.

[Tann]

Originally Posted by AzzarTheGod [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can't run a classic server without admitting current design is not THE ultimate design. It has NEVER happened, and will NEVER happen.

I've read/heard this over and over about the issue but this is a complete bullshittake statement.

It would be like Sony somehow making the PS4 the only playstation that works, all the previous versions wouldn't power on.

People like playing old games or older versions of games, that doesn't mean these folk are collectively saying the current version of said older game sucks.. they just like the old one, cut and dry.