Grats Andis on Server First AoN Purchase Through In-Game Currency

[Kergan]

Originally Posted by Baugi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It would take many paragraphs to discuss why the comparison doesn't make much sense, but I would summarize by saying I think your understanding of Eve is incorrect (High end "loot", faction mods I guess?, commonly gets used for both PVE and PVP. It makes a substantial difference in both cases.)

I was thinking more of the big expensive ships. Like I said, my understanding of the game is pretty limited.

[Kergan]

Originally Posted by Sear [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sure you can.

There's plenty of items for each slot in this game.

If there are enough no drop options then it's always up to the player. I personally don't think the BIS (for any level range) should be no drop, because it defeats the purpose of a player making a conscious choice to either wear something that can't be looted (but fight with slightly inferior stats) or wear something that can be looted.

You're coming at this like I have some ulterior motive against hardcore raid players. I don't.

If you have a situation where the very best items are droppable, but slightly worse items are non drop, you'll literally never see people wear the best items in the game. How is that a good situation?

I've played extensively on an item loot server, and I can say without a doubt is that every problem this server has would be amplified if you flipped the item loot switch on. People would avoid PVP more, plug more and gather into bigger zergs to protect themselves.

That being said, and this will sound a bit odd, I am very much in favor of an item loot server. But it can't be this server. And it can't be a server with the same rules. The way to make item loot meaningful and fun is to make PVP the focus in general for everything. That means that instead of spending hours raiding, you can that time PVPing and get points to buy items, for example. Make people risk items doing the activity it takes to acquire them and you have a balance. Make items a lot easier to get to couple it with the ability to quickly lose them, and you have a balance.

A situation where you're asking the majority to go farm the loot for the rest of the server seems pretty dumb to me, which is essentially what you're saying if you wanted to turn item loot on here.

[Baugi]

Originally Posted by Kergan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was thinking more of the big expensive ships. Like I said, my understanding of the game is pretty limited.

Ships are purchased/crafted so I wouldn't really call them loot (though most loot in the game is currency so it's debatable).

The most expensive ships are super-capitals and they are... generally reserved for PVP, but not because they're aren't useful in PVE, rather there's too much risk of losing them to a batphone-style pk when your support fleet isn't on.

That being said, super-capitals generally aren't individually owned or frequently used. The normal player is going to top out at battleships or maybe a carrier for both PVE and PVP.

[barrettdc1]

Originally Posted by Colgate [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

yea i don't wanna sound like a dick but it's clear you aren't very experienced in enchanter/necromancer pvp

It's true, I'm not. I also wasn't being serious, lol. I've only been on the box for a couple months, I r noob.

[vouss]

Go farm items for me

[cronik]

Item loot is great. It creates tension and provides meaning in pvp.

It's also a giant pita to manage in a game like EQ. I think item loot (minus weapon slots) is fine for classic, and maybe kunark, but once it goes passed that it has serious issues.

Basically item loot early EQ equates to "do I want to wear my diamond/BD stuff or am I a bitch?" If you didn't wear it your resists probably sucked, and if you did it made a huge impact on pvp, while giving your opponents a chance to get something nice. You couldn't really be a resist god without jewelry early EQ.

I.e. nodrop wasn't enough to compete, while still giving you a serious edge. Kunark era you could supplement planar gear and wear jewelry and still be competitive.

[Kergan]

Originally Posted by cronik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Item loot is great. It creates tension and provides meaning in pvp.

It's also a giant pita to manage in a game like EQ. I think item loot (minus weapon slots) is fine for classic, and maybe kunark, but once it goes passed that it has serious issues.

Basically item loot early EQ equates to "do I want to wear my diamond/BD stuff or am I a bitch?" If you didn't wear it your resists probably sucked, and if you did it made a huge impact on pvp, while giving your opponents a chance to get something nice. You couldn't really be a resist god without jewelry early EQ.

I.e. nodrop wasn't enough to compete, while still giving you a serious edge. Kunark era you could supplement planar gear and wear jewelry and still be competitive.

I think the reason item loot somewhat worked in classic was because the droppable items in large part were very replaceable. Whats he worst you could lose, outside dragon loot, HBC? Kunark is what fucked it up, with stuff like Trak BPs and VS legs. Then the risk/reward got hosed. BiS items unless fairly easily replaceable shouldn't be at risk or nobody will bother.

Like you said, the risk you took on RZ in classic was pretty much do you want to lose a diamond ring or not. Diamond rings are by and large a PVP item, and while valuable I think that is the perfect type of item to risk losing in PVP.

[Guido]

when did this post become about item loot?? item loot sucks

back to OP topic



grats andis on AoN

[Redi]

SHORTY WANT A TASTE OF THE HIGH LIFE

[Guido]

lol

it feels goog.