Trump still unstumpable

[Pokesan]

a post in which azzar describes the necessity of subverting the will of the voting public

direct democracy is the only moral system HTH

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by Pokesan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

a post in which azzar describes the necessity of subverting the will of the voting public

direct democracy is the only moral system HTH

This would destabilize the 2-party system in about 2-3 election cycles, as revealing the total # of popular votes (I.E. how badly you got smoked) will lead to people abandoning their successive 15-85 and 20-80 losing party to go create a new one.

Even if I am for direct democracy, I can still recognize the benefits of the EC in the stability of the matrix.

Fact is we don't know everything that would happen if we switched to a direct democracy. I just know it would bring many new challenges and that is why da massa will never give us one. Plebs unworthy.

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by Pokesan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

direct democracy is the only moral system HTH

And when the 87% vote to enslave the 13%? Is it still a moral system then?

[Pokesan]

slavery is illegal

[maskedmelon]

Man is incapable of moral governance. Inevitably the principles upon which any government is founded, not matter how noble, cannot suffer the indubitable erosion wrought of illiteracy, senility and the indelible passage of time.

[Lojik]

Originally Posted by AzzarTheGod [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It was a great post, now it's deleted. How disappointing, should have quoted him?



A scaling system/electoral college is needed to keep plebs interested in the political process, as you can't claim democracy if nobody participates. You would lose legitimacy by default.

If they posted the real percentages every election by Total Vote (popular) without breaking it down by EC districts, or even by State/county, there would be a very big problem.

Instead of a 51-49 or 48-50 or 49-50 victory or loss, you would end up with 20-80, 15-85, and who knows, maybe a few 10-90 elections. Imagine how depressed, angry, and violently rabid this country would be without the EC keeping us all calm, giving everyone hope for next election. "Oh it was a close one boys! We got em next time!" easily becomes "I don't care lol we got smoked. Fuck politics"

Blood would run in the streets after every controversial/emotional Presidential election without the EC. It would change every facet of our society. Horrifying to think of life without the mainstream media spoonfeeding us post-election political opiates in the form of the "EC percent tally".

I think you already have a lot of voters who don't even bother going out to the polls specifically because of this system. If you're a diehard democrat who lives in Utah, your vote already pretty much doesn't count (at least for presidential elections.) If you're a die-hard democrat who lives in NY state, your candidate is already going to win so there isn't much pressure to go to the polls. In the electoral system, certain peoples votes will end up mattering much more than other peoples votes.

I actually think removing the EC could be a big blow to the two party system, as democratic candidates would dominate the presidential elections. The big election would really be the democratic primary, and maybe then we could actually see some ideological splits in the party. It would also force the Republicans to modify their policies to garner support from more people. Political parties should adjust to the needs and wants of the people anyway, not the other way around... which seems an awful lot like how it is now.

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by Pokesan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

slavery is illegal

whoosh

[Pokesan]

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

whoosh

a bit quick on the draw there champ

you were equating taxation to slavery, ya?

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by Pokesan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

a bit quick on the draw there champ

you were equating taxation to slavery, ya?

No. I specifically used the numbers 87% and 13% (13% of America is black) so that there would be no equivocation about the fact I was using the term slavery literally. In a direct democracy, there are no fundamental rights. This permits a tyranny of the majority, whereby the rights of the minority can be trampled by the majority at whim.

Originally Posted by James Madison

pure democracy, by which I mean a society consisting of a small number of citizens, who assemble and administer the government in person, can admit no cure for the mischiefs of faction. A common passion or interest will be felt by a majority, and there is nothing to check the inducements to sacrifice the weaker party. Hence it is, that democracies have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have, in general, been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths

[Pokesan]

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No. I specifically used the numbers 87% and 13% (13% of America is black) so that there would be no equivocation about the fact I was using the term slavery literally. In a direct democracy, there are no fundamental rights. This permits a tyranny of the majority, whereby the rights of the minority can be trampled by the majority at whim.

How does the electoral college prevent this?