Discussion on 20 minute engage rule for undead bard (trak guts) when next patch comes

[Ele]

Originally Posted by maestrom [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How were white and green scales overlooked?

I don't mean here. I mean back in the day. Did they just "forget"? There were enough bards and warriors back then to put in UDB and Nortlav, this would do little to increase access to epics for Bards/Wars.

Not sure. Bards were quite vocal about the lack of access to white dragon scales. Considering most either had to stay sub 53 for Vox, lead but not participate in a pick-up Vox raid or go all the way to 57+ to be able to stand up against Gorenaire.

This Concert Hall poster had a decent rant about it here. Also here, here, and lots of people traded for it. People started coming up with theories like this one or this one that there was an unsolved quest or unfound NPC that would provide the white scale, but none were found (whether that was on purpose or a mistake by Verant who knows).

Hoshkar starts dropping green scales in about 3 months (June 2001). So warriors do get a boost in that department.

Thott had this to say:

Level 60, red scale off Talendor, white scale off Gorenaire.

Desbarolis wrote:
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These quest's were made for roughly level 50+ players. They were all started in response to the paladin epic, which was originally geared for paladins of nagafen and vox level ranges (and higher), which includes level 47+ paladins.


Paladins have a new epic as well, and it requires the original FA. Verant has stated on numerous occasions that epic weapons are intended to be level 60 weapons, not level 50.

You're 49. That means that for 11 levels you will be fighting in progressively harder areas, and will see weapons drop, progressively better weapons...and all of them will be massively inferior to your current weapon.

I don't see how anyone can not see this as broken.

Unfortunately, there isn't any easy way to ensure lower level people can't get higher level people to help them get an item.

I guess if Verant really wanted the epics to be level 60 weapons, they should have made the end quest NPC respond only to level 60 characters.

The epic quest would then be get all the pieces together, the same as it is now....and level to 60. "You are not yet experienced enough to control a weapon of this power...go, learn more, and return."

For those that got the weapon before 60, good for you, I wouldn't expect anyone to do anything else. It's a great weapon. But you have to admit, it's not right.

--Thott
Guildleader
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[maestrom]

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not sure. Bards were quite vocal about the lack of access to white dragon scales. Considering most either had to stay sub 53 for Vox, lead but not participate in a pick-up Vox raid or go all the way to 57+ to be able to stand up against Gorenaire.

This Concert Hall poster had a decent rant about it here. Also here, here, and lots of people traded for it. People started coming up with theories like this one or this one that there was an unsolved quest or unfound NPC that would provide the white scale, but none were found (whether that was on purpose or a mistake by Verant who knows).

Hoshkar starts dropping green scales in about 3 months (June 2001). So warriors do get a boost in that department.

Thott had this to say:

Ahh Thott...

Ever the man of the people. It's no wonder he abandoned Everquest for WoW where literally every item in the game has a required level on it.

If anyone manages to track down the Twitch, I'd love to watch it. Everquestlive doesn't seem to post any of the old streams.

[fastboy21]

Originally Posted by Man0warr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Shouldn't red scale drop in Hole now though?

correct. i would still think with the sudden burst of demand (as about 50ish bards suddenly need to buy one to finish their epic) you can get away with some short term price gauging if you wanted to.

[fastboy21]

It was prob a combination of oversight and wars having alternative weapon setups that were as good or better for warriors than epic by the time they got around to doing fixing this stuff.

Its EQ...lots of stuff never made "good sense".

[Kileras]

white/green scales do seem a bit absurd. the urge for non classic in me is strong in regards to these. Would it really be such a huge turnoff to make them drop off a few other mobs?

[Ele]

Another thing is that each epic quest seems to have been designed by different devs or groups with not much coordination between them as evidenced by the huge disparity in difficultly and rarity of component items. i.e. Rogue/Monk/Shaman v. Mage/Warrior/Bard. Others having insanely rare drops e.g. Cazic Skin for Wiz epic. There were only a handful across all servers when Velious dropped and then just a few months until Broken Golem fix was added.

Cleric epic is relatively straight forward and "easy," but Verant did not "fix" the Ragefire situation for over 1.5 years despite the very vocal outcry by clerics and guilds. If you can even call the Skyfire shards/Ragefire a fix.

Not many people recall, but rogues were much rarer on live than they are here. Rogues were one of the worst classes without decent weapon itemization or even evade for a large part of classic, that is until Kunark and Velious came along. People didn't have 4+ years to twink a rogue and foreknowledge that easy 15 damage epics were coming.

[Oleris]

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Another thing is that each epic quest seems to have been designed by different devs or groups with not much coordination between them as evidenced by the huge disparity in difficultly and rarity of component items. i.e. Rogue/Monk/Shaman v. Mage/Warrior/Bard. Others having insanely rare drops e.g. Cazic Skin for Wiz epic. There were only a handful across all servers when Velious dropped and then just a few months until Broken Golem fix was added.

Cleric epic is relatively straight forward and "easy," but Verant did not "fix" the Ragefire situation for over 1.5 years despite the very vocal outcry by clerics and guilds. If you can even call the Skyfire shards/Ragefire a fix.

Not many people recall, but rogues were much rarer on live than they are here. Rogues were one of the worst classes without decent weapon itemization or even evade for a large part of classic, that is until Kunark and Velious came along. People didn't have 4+ years to twink a rogue and foreknowledge that easy 15 damage epics were coming.

2 months ago on the eq live twitch stream they were talking about designing the epic quests. It was split into 4-5 different people with distinct guidelines for the quests. 3 of which were there talking about the new expansion. Might want to check it out if ya want to learn more about the quests.

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Oleris [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

2 months ago on the eq live twitch stream they were talking about designing the epic quests. It was split into 4-5 different people with distinct guidelines for the quests. 3 of which were there talking about the new expansion. Might want to check it out if ya want to learn more about the quests.

Cool, will have to check that out.

[krazyGlue]

We don't have this shit show on red

[Ele]

Originally Posted by krazyGlue [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We don't have this shit show on red

When everyone is in the same guild and farms the crap out of Kunark for 5 years, I wouldn't see why you guys would have that problem.