Rules Decent Players should abide by...

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by Tiewon Shu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Or they just behaved like honest, moral human beings that valued friendships more than pixels. Just a thought.

It's commendable to NBG to a player with a legitimate need, however, it is not morally obligatory.

The best loot system is the one the entire group is satisfied with. Stop equating NGB to moral superiority.

[Raev]

The devs want this server to be cutthroat, and the raid mechanics that they have chosen (combined with the global nature of early EQ) encourage balls-to-the-wall "competition" via staring at the computer screen for hours. Combine that with massive overcrowding, where you would never get anything done if you just waited in line forever, and the raid attitude gradually percolates down to the rest of the server. The vast majority of people don't enjoy spending their free time crushing other sociopaths on the Internet, which is why other MMOs implemented instances.

TLDR: the server is the way it is because the devs want it that way.

[nhdjoseywales]

Originally Posted by Tiewon Shu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well don't camp then, crawl as intended.

you mean steal the camps of everyone else in the zone one by one and act like you arent being a complete fucknut?

[Erica]

Seems like people who ask for NBG in a group are the usually the ones who will benefit from it at that particular camp. So... you want me to help you not only have a chance to get this item, but you don't want to give me a chance to win it as well? What if I want to sell/trade it so I can fill one of my empty slots? Or upgrade a current slot? And this is called need before greed? Sounds like you are the greedy one.

Here is the other thing though. Lets say I could have used the plat because there are still items I want to buy, but it was an upgrade for them so I let the person have it. I doubt they are going to hold onto that item forever. What happens when they get an upgrade? Are they going to contact the rest of those group members and split the plat? No. They are going to sell the item and put it towards something else they want, which is what I wanted to do in the first place.

I don't see any difference in equipping the item as an upgrade or using it to get an upgrade. NBG is so greedy. If you feel you don't need the item or the plat it will bring, then either pass on it or roll for it and hand it to the person who you think needs it if you win.

[Llodd]

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The devs want this server to be cutthroat, and the raid mechanics that they have chosen (combined with the global nature of early EQ) encourage balls-to-the-wall "competition" via staring at the computer screen for hours. Combine that with massive overcrowding, where you would never get anything done if you just waited in line forever, and the raid attitude gradually percolates down to the rest of the server. The vast majority of people don't enjoy spending their free time crushing other sociopaths on the Internet, which is why other MMOs implemented instances.

TLDR: the server is the way it is because the devs want it that way.

I've never seen anywhere that the devs have said they wanted the server to be cutthroat.

What I have seen is them saying they want the server to be as classic was in 99.

This doesn't in of itself preclude the server being on a total rotational basis - which a minority did. But that is mostly irrelevant aprt from giving some context.

It really is down to the people playing to decide which way the server goes (which I have seen devs say). And on P99 the douchebag levels are waaaaay above those from mine and many others experiences of classic 99-02.

Unfortunately this means the server is how it is, because douchebaggery always wins out as the nature of EQ lends itself to that so well. And hence eventually we have Rogean stepping in when those levels of douchebaggery after 3 fucking years remained as high as ever.

tl:dr the server is how it is cuz ppl are shits

[indiscriminate_hater]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You missed me saying you can get a +9 MR necklace if you really need the MR? Bards don't need str.

If I see a guy twinked to the teeth trying to call "need" on MM loot then something's up. This is one of the things wrong with the server. Just out of the picture is a shaman in rags.

In a separate group last week we handed out a froggie robe that dropped in disco to a mage in an advisor robe... that's how we should be playing. Not calling need on stuff we'll either barely use or are straight up going to hit the tunnel with afterwards.

who are you to tell players what stats they need? the guy is obviously going the melee route and can use the str/ac.

who are you to tell people how they should be playing? you and all of the other pixel welfare advocates all have a common theme: "i enjoy playing this way and so should everyone else. BUT DON'T TELL ME HOW I SHOULD PLAY THE GAME"

if the shaman in rags is just out of the picture, why isn't he calling "need"?

and regarding your more recent post: how exactly is /ran 100 shutting out players from getting gear? get a grip

[Thulghor]

Really? Pixel welfare? Think you're stretching your Ayn Rand a bit.

[Tiewon Shu]

Originally Posted by nhdjoseywales [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you mean steal the camps of everyone else in the zone one by one and act like you arent being a complete fucknut?

Nope. I meant crawl, don't camp.

[Thulghor]

I really like that "plat welfare" or "pixel welfare" is being brought up every time someone mentions that perhaps players should be less awful to other players, and usually by people fairly high up the "food chain."

Like somehow it is our expected objectivist duty to try to edge everyone out and be awful solely for our own personal gain. And anyone who says otherwise is "Beta" (lawls), weak, or somehow whiny and deficient. This equation makes me laugh. Especially the use of the term "Beta" in a online video game.

Sorry guys, no jobs are being created here, and no economics are trickling down, and Atlas is clearly not shrugging. Also, you're probably not the "Alphas" you think you are. Also, Regan isn't president either.

Although this is a forum for a roleplaying game, so I suppose continue to roleplay as the awful people you've always wanted to be.

[indiscriminate_hater]

Originally Posted by Thulghor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I really like that "plat welfare" or "pixel welfare" is being brought up every time someone mentions that perhaps players should be less awful to other players, and usually by people fairly high up the "food chain."

Like somehow it is our expected objectivist duty to try to edge everyone out and be awful solely for our own personal gain. And anyone who says otherwise is "Beta" (lawls), weak, or somehow whiny and deficient. This equation makes me laugh. Especially the use of the term "Beta" in a online video game.

Sorry guys, no jobs are being created here, and no economics are trickling down, and Atlas is clearly not shrugging. Also, you're probably not the "Alphas" you think you are.

pretty sure you're the only person in this thread that has used the words Alpha and Beta.

so, being "awful" means trying to do well for yourself in the game by having an equal chance at receiving loot that you helped to acquire?