The Earth stands on the brink of its sixth mass extinction and the fault is ours

[Humerox]

Hey! No googling, fool.

[Luminari]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes, but what if the mechanisms by which organisms create copies of their genetic code is 'flawed'? Meaning at times errors creep in to the copies. Most of the time these errors are either unimportant or are damaging to an organism. Creatures carrying such errors will tend to die in vitro or before reproduction. Occasionally errors can actually lead to inadvertent improvements. Perhaps a slightly more efficient enzyme that makes a process easier for the organism to carry out. Organisms with these beneficial 'errors' have an advantage over other organisms of their type, meaning these organisms are more likely to reach sexual production and pass on these 'beneficial errors'.

Errors in the copies are called birth defects. You're basically arguing that non flying creatures had birth defects that made them grow wings and suddenly were able to fly.

The chance for any one species to evolve is so remote that for it to evolve a second time in a genetically compatible way is close enough to impossible

No, it IS impossible. There's ZERO chance of it ever occurring. That's why NOBODY has ever seen it occur nor will they ever.

Eggs aren't exclusive to chickens. If anything, the eggistence of eggs is an argument towards shared lineage of creatures.

Chicken eggs ARE exclusive to chickens though so your point is completely irrelevant. Just like the eggs of each type of creature that lays them is unique to that specific creature.

An evolutionist would argue that creatures slowly evolved solutions to protect their young, resulting in what we call 'eggs' and this solution was so effective it was preserved by most of their descendent species.

How the fuck would a creature that doesn't lay eggs know how to make one? Does it just go "hmm should would be a good idea if I produced eggs". Either it lays eggs or it doesn't. There's no fucking way it's just going to start laying eggs one day. All of the components for egg laying have to be there simultaneously.

“How came the bodies of animals to be contrived with so much art, and for what ends were their several parts?
Was the eye contrived without skill in Opticks, and the ear without knowledge of sounds?...and these things being rightly dispatch’d, does it not appear from phænomena that there is a Being incorporeal, living, intelligent...?”
― Isaac Newton, Opticks

Think long and hard about this quote. How the fuck does an eye slowly evolve? There are thousands of parts that make up an eye. How would a creature even know that it needs eyes when it doesn't have any idea what sight even is? Like god damn, use your brain please.

[Humerox]

Chromosome 2, pal. Still waiting. Been enough time for you to google the tie-in to this discussion.

Step up.

Or you can smack me down with some more 18th century poetic wisdom. Or 2,000 year-old hypotheses. Take your pick.

[Jimjam]

(edit: this post was in response to the newton quote)
Yes, creatures are so well adapted it is hard to believe they weren't created by design.

No creature is perfect though. There are plenty of genetic disorders, and even design flaws, which is something evolution predicts, but doesn't make do much sense in an intelligent design model.

Evolution suggests complex structures such as the eye are the result of many generations of incremental beneficial changes. It also suggests evolution of such structures is a rare occurrence but the structure itself will become common as it will be passed on to all the decedents of the type of creature in which it first evolved.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Luminari [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Errors in the copies are called birth defects. You're basically arguing that non flying creatures had birth defects that made them grow wings and suddenly were able to fly.

More or less. I'm suggesting evolutionists argue that should a creature have a birth defect which happens to be beneficial, then in further generations that inherited birth defect may be refined to become more and more beneficial. Perhaps one little dinosaur had a defect that caused it to grow long furry scales, but this helped it keep warm so it survived and reproduced. More defects accumulated and the functionality of this special scales increased and could even help the little dinosaur leap and glide between trees? End product: Dinosaurs replace bees as humming birds.

Originally Posted by Luminari [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, it IS impossible. There's ZERO chance of it ever occurring. That's why NOBODY has ever seen it occur nor will they ever.

That's the essence of my point on why rhinos/dodos don't 're-evolve'.

Originally Posted by Luminari [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Chicken eggs ARE exclusive to chickens though so your point is completely irrelevant. Just like the eggs of each type of creature that lays them is unique to that specific creature.

How the fuck would a creature that doesn't lay eggs know how to make one? Does it just go "hmm should would be a good idea if I produced eggs". Either it lays eggs or it doesn't. There's no fucking way it's just going to start laying eggs one day. All of the components for egg laying have to be there simultaneously.

A genetic defect again that causes the creature to be covered in some kind of protective layer. Perhaps especially slimey mucus. Over generations perhaps a further defect would be for this mucus to have a leathery skin? Other further generations this skin becomes more calcified for extra protection?

Think long and hard about this quote. How the fuck does an eye slowly evolve? There are thousands of parts that make up an eye. How would a creature even know that it needs eyes when it doesn't have any idea what sight even is? Like god damn, use your brain please.

Good question. As a thought experiment, how would you imagine a type of creature goes from no eyes to eyes? Don't be afraid to include plenty of intermediary stages and don't forget that each successive mutation needs to be beneficial in its own right !

[Humerox]

His entire argument is about macroevolution. It's the gold standard for creationists because people don't live long enough to observe it therefore it's not credible.

To them, lol.

It's bush-league stuff but the more you whack them with science the more "but no, it's magic!" you get.

And some of them have the audacity to call other people retards. Ignorance is bliss.

[Luminari]

Originally Posted by Humerox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

His entire argument is about macroevolution. It's the gold standard for creationists because people don't live long enough to observe it therefore it's not credible.

To them, lol.

It's bush-league stuff but the more you whack them with science the more "but no, it's magic!" you get.

And some of them have the audacity to call other people retards. Ignorance is bliss.

What part of OBSERVATION and EXPERIMENTATION do you not quite get you dumb fuck? If it can't be observed or experimentally reproduced, it isn't science you dumb piece of shit. I know your IQ is in the single digits but holy fuck. You can't even grasp basic scientific principles. You're a fucking embarrassment and so is everyone else who thinks evolution is scientific. There is no special magical exception for evolution that just gets to insert "but but, billions of years!" into the equation.

The bottom line is, can anyone observe it? Nope. Can anyone reproduce it via any sort of experiment? Nope. Then. It's. Not. Science. You. Dumb. Fuck.

[Glenzig]

Originally Posted by Humerox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Chromosome 2, pal. Still waiting. Been enough time for you to google the tie-in to this discussion.

Step up.

Or you can smack me down with some more 18th century poetic wisdom. Or 2,000 year-old hypotheses. Take your pick.

Are you referencing the deletion syndrome?

[Magikarp]

Originally Posted by Luminari [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're fucking retarded. Birds remain birds, period. Sure there can be slight differences from one bird to the next but it's always going to remain a bird you dumb fuck. It's NEVER going to evolve into something other than a bird. Birds have been birds since the moment their genetic code was created and they were brought into the world and they'll remain birds until they either go extinct or until time comes to an end. Same goes for literally every living organism imaginable. We see bacteria becoming resistant to antibiotics BUT IT ALWAYS REMAINS BACTERIA YOU DUMB MOTHER FUCKER.

Instant emotional defensive rage.

I did all I can. There is no hope for you.

[Humerox]

Originally Posted by Luminari [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What part of OBSERVATION and EXPERIMENTATION do you not quite get you dumb fuck? If it can't be observed or experimentally reproduced, it isn't science you dumb piece of shit. I know your IQ is in the single digits but holy fuck. You can't even grasp basic scientific principles. You're a fucking embarrassment and so is everyone else who thinks evolution is scientific. There is no special magical exception for evolution that just gets to insert "but but, billions of years!" into the equation.

The bottom line is, can anyone observe it? Nope. Can anyone reproduce it via any sort of experiment? Nope. Then. It's. Not. Science. You. Dumb. Fuck.

Oh...not spouting 18th century physicists' poetry anymore?

You DO realize that macroevolution (I really hate using that term because it really doesn't exist...macroevolution is only microevolution over a long period of time) or the evolution of life forms beyond the species level, has been OBSERVED in laboratory conditions and in nature right?

You're arguing against something that has already proven scientifically. You know, using the scientific method and all.

But I wouldn't expect you to know that because you're used to arguing with the other people in your 5th-grade class.

And you must be MAD, btw.

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