<Fresh> disbanded due to massive division in the guild caused by the alliance.

[Tradesonred]

Originally Posted by bloodletter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think you're just proving my point?

What im saying is whats the big deal over merging? Why cant guilds stay independent with a ponctual alliance to go after empire when its time to do that?

I just hate people getting their interest in the game take a nose dive when they feel theyre working to gear up the inner core with crumbs thrown their way if theyre lucky.

Fresh sounded like a guild like Red Dawn, people may talk shit about Heartbrand but beside his politics (which I dont really give a fuck in-game, even find it fun to play with people way different than me through MMOs), i thought he was one of the best as far as loot distribution trickling down to the masses went. Even Nizzar with his RMT cut did more for people that werent officers then i ever saw in Azrael. In RD i felt emphasis was on fun, experiencing content for people new to end game, gearing out your toon, meeting cool normal people (lol).

When there was no PVP bonus and it was a huge grind to get to 60, Lite had us sit in Seb for 5 hours waiting to get crushed by Nihilum when the best thing to do was to use the weekend's xp bonus to get people to 60. When i argued against staying in Seb to get crushed, Lite told me "Thats the way it is because thats what the higher ups decided". He didnt have to justify himself to me over his selfish decisions that was detrimental to the guild (His toon was already 60) because i was just a peasant lower down. Ive met many people in RD later on i had never met before and they had the same types of stories to tell about Lite, so its not because it was me.

Now its been a while and people could argue against what i just said, that Azrael doesnt function like this anymore, but i highly doubt that.

If i was in Fresh, the burden of proof to explain how its not going to be like that would be resting on Lite's shoulders.

[Guido]

im just thankful gardur is a lot smarter than mr max here

otherwise, server would be as stale as it has been with max in control

also glad max's madness has come out once again - showing his true colors.

+1 for gardur.

time to get to work.

[Gardur]

You don't have any idea what you're talking about.

And you're refusing to take accountability for your own actions.

I didn't start a guild war with the top dog. I didn't relentlessly antagonize them on FQ. All I ever did was defend you for what you did right and remain silent on things you were fking up.

I logged in every day to help coordinate a defense. I lead raid after raid to gear up the people you recruited. I talked to the nme guild leaders to try and at least facilitate civilized pvp.

You started the war and you gave the order to fire up the alliance.

I was loyal to Fresh until you killed it. Now I'm loyal to all the people you abandoned.

Whatever you may think of me now I still acknowledge all the good work you did and respect that part of you.

[heartbrand]

Originally Posted by fiegi 8.0 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Does this mean ur gonna delvl ur warrior again to grief mistmoore?

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[Luniz]

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[bloodletter]

Originally Posted by Tradesonred [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What im saying is whats the big deal over merging? Why cant guilds stay independent with a ponctual alliance to go after empire when its time to do that?

I just hate people getting their interest in the game take a nose dive when they feel theyre working to gear up the inner core with crumbs thrown their way if theyre lucky.

Fresh sounded like a guild like Red Dawn, people may talk shit about Heartbrand but beside his politics (which I dont really give a fuck in-game, even find it fun to play with people way different than me through MMOs), i thought he was one of the best as far as loot distribution trickling down to the masses. Even Nizzar with his RMT cut did more for people that werent officers then i ever saw in Azrael. In RD i felt emphasis was on fun, experiencing content for people new to end game, gearing out your toon, meeting cool normal people (lol).

When there was no PVP bonus and it was a huge grind to get to 60, Lite had us sit in Seb for 5 hours waiting to get crushed by Nihilum when the best thing to do was to use the weekend's xp bonus to get people to 60. When i argued against staying in Seb to get crushed, Lite told me "Thats the way it is because thats what the higher ups decided". He didnt have to justify himself to me over his selfish decisions (His toon was already 60) because i was just a peasant lower down. Ive met many people in RD later on i had never met before and they had the same types of stories to tell about Lite, so its not because it was me.

Now its been a while and people could argue against what i just said, that Azrael doesnt function like this anymore, but i highly doubt that.

If i was in Fresh, the burden of proof to explain how its not going to be like that would be resting on Lite's shoulders.

Yea <Red Dawn> was good stuff and it's too bad Heartbrand gave up, abandoning the cyber elves that needed him.

We've tried the coordination under separate banners, and you've watched it not work. Your proposition would be to 'just try harder' ? Trying harder won't work. Changes obviously need to be made, as it is right now fights that matter aren't being won. Sure Empire is being picked off here and there and a few targets might be acquired on a ground shake but over time it's just not the progress the server needs before August. Do you want to see Velious come around with 40-60% of the server under one <Empire> tag?

I don't.

[dontbanpls]

You are throwing me under the bus and trying to do the opposite of what I wanted for the guild. You didn't support me when I was getting attacked for the forum quest. You asked me to stop posting. You constantly let people blame me for the actions of others. and you practically showed people the way out. I trusted you to manage this alliance and the first thing I said I wanted was to stay independent and you failed to achieve that.

[Tradesonred]

Originally Posted by bloodletter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yea <Red Dawn> was good stuff and it's too bad Heartbrand gave up, abandoning the cyber elves that needed him.

We've tried the coordination under separate banners, and you've watched it not work. Your proposition would be to 'just try harder' ? Trying harder won't work. Changes obviously need to be made, as it is right now fights that matter aren't being won. Sure Empire is being picked off here and there and a few targets might be acquired on a ground shake but over time it's just not the progress the server needs before August. Do you want to see Velious come around with 40-60% of the server under one <Empire> tag?

I don't.

I just dont see why there needs to be a merge, youre gonna have to coordinate anyway through voice, yeah, just practice it. I dont have the inner diplomacy at hand but if what Lite is proposing sounds like "My way or you guys are going back on Azrael's kill list" big alarm bells would be ringing in my head right now.

Then it means that the problem is Lite's bullheaded way to get what he wants instead of trying to make an alliance work, not that its pointless to try harder to get different guild tags to coordinate together, which wouldnt surprise me one bit.

[daasgoot]

Originally Posted by dontbanpls [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are throwing me under the bus and trying to do the opposite of what I wanted for the guild. You didn't support me when I was getting attacked for the forum quest. You asked me to stop posting. You constantly let people blame me for the actions of others. and you practically showed people the way out. I trusted you to manage this alliance and the first thing I said I wanted was to stay independent and you failed to achieve that.

you should have kept your mouth shut on the forums for the better of your guild.

everyone knows this truth.

[daasgoot]

has anyone else ignored every single one of tradesonred's posts?

literally just skipping over them.